I found the pictured coin at the Hershey Swap meet last week. I’m interested in finding out anything I can about it, if anyone else has
seen one, where it came from and what it is all about. The front side has a generic horseless carriage in the middle and reads: National Ass’n of Automobile Mfgrs, Endurance Test, New York to Pittsburg, October 7-15, 1903
(back side is on the next post)
The back side of the coin reads: Awarded to The George N.Pierce Co. for Meritorious Performance of Pierce Car under conditions of unprecedented severity.
I showed this to a few members at the Pierce tent and got some interesting speculations, but no one had actually seen one.
My belief is that these coins were reproduced at some point, I do not think they are original.
I have two of them, one a “rough” casting, the other seemingly plated in gold. The plated one has a small hole at the top for some reason. The issue that I see (and was pointed out to me by another PAS member) is that the Pierce information is cast into the medal, not engraved. The original was probably a real gold piece, and would have been engraved with the winner’s information.
All that said, I have no idea when these were made, and no one I’ve talked to can add any information. Thus, if you want to believe it’s real, go right ahead. I don’t feel it is, and they’ll be included in an article I’m writing for the magazine about fakes.
David
Look closely at the photos of my coin. The words “The George N. Pierce Co.”” and “”Pierce”” are engraved on the coin…..they are not part of the casting.
Does that matter ??”
Here is a photo of the test.
http://digitalcollections.detroitpubliclibrary.org/islandora/object/islandora%3A199328
Richard, I’m only offering my opinion. Look how faint the “George N Pierce Co” and the word “Pierce” are…if I had just won this test, I’d be fairly disappointed if this were the coin or medal they handed to me as an award.
My belief is that, possibly, someone had an original coin, and used it as a casting pattern to make numerous replicated coins.
I would love to think that I, too, have an original coin, and the gold plated one that I have would be the front runner, but alas, I feel they are fakes.
David,
I was very glad to read that you are working on an article about fakes. It astounds / saddens me that someone would take the time and effort to reproduce a “one-of” piece like this to deceive and profit. I know / would hope that if someone in PAS copied a piece as a give-away or fundraiser that it would be marked as a reproduction piece in some obvious way.
David, it would also be great if you could produce an overview (article or on this site) of the commemorative / factory pieces you have in your collection. I love seeing and learning about this kind of stuff! Having said that David, I apologize for attempting to volunteer more of your time….
John
John, did you get that transmission home? I was standing by it earlier in the day, cash in pocket, and all I could think about was sheesh, that sucker was heavy with bell housing and pedals and all. I was also with a friend who’d actually had my transmission apart (as a reference while restoring a similar car at White Post Restorations), and when he said “I don’t think you need it” I listened!
There are better memorabilia collections out there, but I am proud of mine, and have some interesting stuff. One thing I’ve concentrated on is getting the give aways from dealers (solid things), and documentation from each dealer (paper things, such as business cards). I’ll work on how to best present these…and prefer to do articles, as that’s a permanent record…
Thanks for putting me to work! dc
Please remember not only are there fake dealership items , There are quite a few fake Pierce Arrow cars out there also. While at Hershey this year I believe it came across another fake open car converted from a sedan. Time will tell. one can never believe a carwas a V 12 from the factory, as many cars have been converted. Be careful!
David,
Yes, I got it home and it was actually easy to drive into the chocolate field to get it. My family has a spot in the orange field and I had an orange field sticker on my car. Having never purchased a HEAVY item at Hershey I wasn’t certain what was involved in retrieving it. I had a two wheel shopping bag cart with me when I looked at the transmission, but knew that wouldn’t work with that heavy part. I was told by an official that you simply pull up to the entrance of the field you want to get into between 4:00 and 5:00 PM, show them a receipt, explain you are picking up a heavy item and in you go!
With foot traffic being down at Hershey, I pulled out of our spot in the orange field at 3:45, loaded the transmission in the chocolate field and was out of the chocolate field by 4:10 PM! Absolutely amazing, I thought it would take an hour with foot and automobile traffic!
While the transmission obviously came out of a junkyard 50 years ago, it was in wonderful condition inside (better than the one in my car). What a relief given that the guy was funny about having me take off the top cover (with the tools I brought with me).
I am going to mark all shafts and gears and take it fully apart to see if I can find the timing marks in this 1931 transmission. If I find them, this transmission is going in my car.
David…..I agree, this coin is most likely not the original one given to Pierce, but could it be possible the company reproduced them and had dealers give them out as promotional items. I’m not sure where the line is between something that may have been reproduced by the company for promotional purposes and something some unrelated person produced possibly 20-50 years later. My concern is in how loosely the word “fake” may be applied. If Pierce Arrow Motor Company did reproduce these to be given out, from the original in their possession, does that make this a fake ? I don’t want to start a big discussion about this, just would like to know more about the coin I found. Thanks
Richard, you bring up an interesting point, did the PAMCC reproduce these medals? That would be interesting. The mystery in this is just that, who did make what I’m considering a “replicated” medal (again, my opinion).
Here’s a mention of the same 1903 medal, taken from the Internet:
“The National Association of Automobile Manufacturers conducts an Endurance Test from Chicago to Pittsburgh, and the Columbia Car driven by Bert Holcomb wins a Gold Medal. “
In 1903, if it was stated a “gold medal”, then my belief is that it would probably be solid gold, possibly gold plated. The coin you have, and one of the ones I have, appear to be unfinished, “rough” castings. The one I have that is plated appears to be gold, but the Pierce information becomes very faint, not what one would expect from an original.
It’s possible Pierce reproduced and handed out. I have heard that there are more such coins floating around, although I can’t verify that. Without provenance, they’re interesting, but not very valuable. When I first found mine, I was excited thinking they were the real thing, but time and research has cooled that feeling. I’m still glad to have anything Pierce related in hand!
David
Its interesting the internet states the Columbia “won” a gold medal. I suspect they gave these metals to every participant in that endurance event as a reward for finishing. Rather than a race, it was a test to see if the car could complete the distance. If it did, it got an engraved “personalized” medal…..thus the casting was made, and the name of the car company and the name of the car were added (engraved into the coin) when awarded.That would make it an award for completing the event.
I think there is a good chance Pierce then reproduced them and gave them out as a marketing item. Does anyone know if any of the other cars in that event got similar coins with their name on them ?
It would be nice to hear from someone who has extensive knowledge of that event to enlighten us. I don’t see this as having monetary value, but it is surely a nice period item…… Thanks
Here are pictures of the Columbia coin, which still exists. Not the fact that it appears to be very much gold or gold plated, and the engraving is significantly deeper than the Pierce medals we’re discussing.
I’ve also copied a link to the Internet page, in case pictures don’t work out
and here’s back of Columbia medal
Note on the Columbia medal the detail of the rim inside the outer bead, with the outer bead representing a tire. The small projection on the non-engraved side, on the rim, is the valve stem for the tire.
Note how much more detailed the Columbia coin is in those respects than our Pierce coins.
I do think that ours were cast from an original, which would cause the loss of detail. Did PAMCC do it? That’s a great theory, as no one so far in the Society remembers any such project.
And, I agree on value, I think ours are curiosities with but small value. The original, if found, would be a different story!
Since I weighed the 1901-1911 medal, I weighed these two 1903 medals too….1 ounce for the unplated one, 1.1 ounce for the plated one…so if that’s 0.1 ounce of gold, there’s some value!!
David……do you know if the Columbia coin is an original ? It would be interesting to compare my coin to the Columbia coin as both have the car and company engraved into them. Mine also has the valve stem on the front side.
The Columbia coin, if not an original, raises other questions. Did someone cast a lot of these coins and then engrave each different car on them ? Does any original coin from the event exist….it would be a wonderful bench mark for comparison of these other coins….Do you know of any other coins with other cars on them ?
The Columbia coin is an original, and shows much more detail than our coins. I don’t know of other coins, but would bet there are both more originals and more of the replicated coins out there.