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Hello all. I received an email from a non-PAS man, Frank Schiro, re a Pierce in Van Nuys, CA. owned by his father a former PAS member and friend of the late Irwin Blonder. I told Frank we can not give estimates on car values but I would put his information on our member’s section of our website. Call or email Frank for details and photos. Phone 818-535-6634.
Henry
Henry –
In addition to publishing valuations for contemporary cars, the NADA also makes, quarterly, a thick directory for Classic Car values. The Pierce-Arrow data begins with 1926 and has low, average and high valuation ranges.
Some bookstores carry them; the reference sections of libraries also have them.
Brooks
Gents and Ladies,
It is the policy of the Pierce-Arrow Society that no one on the Board of Directors, Officers or anyone who is clearly associated with the governance of the Society, can offer an appraisal of a Pierce-Arrow motorcar or any other Pierce-Arrow or George N. Pierce product.
I believe that policy includes anyone who wraps themselves in the banner of the PAS as REPRESENTING the Society.
So, if a member who is not in the PAS hierarchy offers an appraisal of a vehicle, that is fine as long as it is clear that the person speaks for himself / herself and NOT for the Pierce-Arrow Society.
I believe that the intent of Henry’s original message was to toss this one out to the membership in general in order to be helpful to Mr. Schiro.
Therefore, if anyone in the general membership can be helpful to Mr. Schiro, then by all means be helpful.
Being helpful to those outside of our Society only improves the reputation of the Pierce-Arrow Society.
If I am incorrect in this regard, I am confident that I will hear about it.
Peter
Peter, you are correct. I’m glad you enhanced this thread with that important insight.
John
The Old Cars Price Guide also publishes values based on recent auction and other information. As David Coco mentioned in another thread, they are worth what you think or make of them.
I’d be a little careful of letting the auction results set a price of a car, much less the “value” of a car.
I attended an AACA seminar in Philadelphia a couple of weeks ago, put on by a man who knows auctions, and he confirmed a lot of what I thought to be true.
Shill bids are legal in most states. In other words, you can be bidding against a friend of the owner, or, if there’s a reserve, the Coke machine in the back of the room the auctioneer is looking toward.
Some cars “sold” go back to owner, as he allows friend to bid a little too high. That said, the commission may be a small price to pay rather than taking a severe loss on a car.
“Fair” market prices are what a buyer and seller, both hobbyists, agree to on a car. “Market prices” are what a dealer and a seller agree to on a car. “Auction prices” are all over the place, and depend on level of honesty, integrity, and alcohol.
One thing that easily shows the bidding fever is an early Thunderbird, 1955-57. I had a beautiful 1956, about 3 years ago, had a hard time getting high twenties for it, after advertising it everywhere, and this was a car with both tops, probably 90 points on a 100 point judging system, aftermarket air and all power. Then you see a similar car sell at an auction for fifty or more. Not sensible.
These are all my personal thoughts, with no value at all, and don’t represent the thoughts of any nor all of the PAS membership.