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VIN is 406174 and car can be seen on Hemmings web site. Does anyone know this car’s history?
I was aware that it will be offered at the Auburn fall auction but was wondering if anyone had any info on the car such as current or previous owner, to what extent the car had been restored and when restoration, if any, had been done. Is/was the car owned by a PAS member?
This car is identified by engine number as the serial number is missing. The latest entry in the vehicle register shows Gary Lawing of Tampa,FL bought this car at Hershey in 1997.
Sometime around 2011, I had discussed a 1602 listed in Hemmings with Ed Minnie. The body had been freshly painted in dark green but the car was otherwise disassembled; the car was listed as complete (although in boxes) with a good running engine but needing a complete interior plus reassembly. It was noted the 1602 discussed in 2011 had chromed door hinges which were not correct. When I called the owner in S.C. the car had already been sold. A couple of years later, that 1602 with the chromed door hinges was listed on eBay, no longer in SC but still disassembled. In just looking at the photos on the auction site, I noticed this 1602 being sold this Fall has chromed door hinges. Could this be the same car but now finished? I did notice the unpainted hubcaps plus the Pierce emblem below the trunk lid was not present.
Thanks for sharing this information as it sheds some light on the car’s history back to 1997. I’m guessing the chrome hinges belong to the same car listed previously on eBay if the color of the car on the auction site is dark green but it looks to be painted black . Paul ,since you have identified the engine number , does the vehicle registry show the serial number ( VIN)?
Yes, it shows that the serial number is missing. There are a number of cars where the serial number tag has been removed/lost.
The 3rd photo in on the auction site (of the engine and L-F fender) best shows the body color as very dark green (almost black in certain light).
I checked the pictures again and the left front fender is definitely a dark green so I think it’s reasonable to conclude that Stuart has identified the car which has now been reassembled and the upholstery has been done. My feet are starting to get cold on this car (even though I’m at the beach on Hilton Head Island) with a prior appearance on eBay and now at auction. I would rest easier if the current owner was a member of PAS. Of course most dealers have no intest in our organization as they are looking to make a quick profit and move on. I should note I’m ok with this but it’s unlikely I’ll buy from them.
Jim, Perhaps, if requested, the auction company would have the owner / restorer contact you to answer any questions. I’d certainly want to drive the car to ensure the trans. & O/D operate correctly and to listen for any strange noises from under the hood. And since the car was disassembled, a close inspection of body and interior hardware, rubber and gaskets used would prove the quality of the final assembly. Stu
Stu, Contacting the auction company to speak with the owner sounds like a good idea. Assuming I am able to get any more information on the car I will share it with everyone here.
Just curious, is that an unreasonable price range for that particular Piece-Arrow, or another 1936, 12 / 7passenger in excellent condition?
From what I see are current auctions, I speculate that it will sell for closer to $50K than to $70K.
Who said the car was in “excellent condition”, of course, I have not seen it in person either before or after assembly, but I certainly have an opinion on the car. Not knowing who the current owner is, or may be in the future, I rater keep my comments in generic terms. I think many club members pages get to dumping on cars, and I do NOT wish to do that in this or any other case. Lets put it this way, 70 percent of all Pierce cars we see have problems to one degree or another, including mine. That said, NEVER buy a car without having an expert look at it. I can see more in detailed photos to determine if I want to go look at a car for myself, or a customer.(When I use to do that.) I only recommended people buy a car at the rate of one in ten…..or less.
Ed,
I did not suggest THAT Pierce is in excellent condition.
I was asking the value of a 1936 Pierce-Arrow, 12-cylinder, 7-Passenger, Sedan in excellent condition.
So the answer is?
Peter
Thats a BIG range…………75 to 150. And I have market sales in the last two years at these numbers…..for very good cars. Ed
“I only recommended people buy a car at the rate of one in ten…..or less.”
Ed, I’m two for two with you! (and very lucky 
Robert
Robert……you have great taste! And a good eye for fantastic cars! Are you ready for number three?
Certainly good advice on getting an expert to look at a potential purchase . My knowledge of Piece Arrows would require a very small storage device – the head of a pin . The main reason I joined PAS was to draw on the extensive knowledge of it’s members while I search for a car. I greatly appreciate all of the responses I’ve gotten to my latest post.