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  • #480559

    I am looking at a 1931 Pierce-Arrow with a purchase possibility. Here is my question. What is the total length from bumper to bumper? If this current search ends in a purchase, I need to see how much floor space is needed to park it. I know that the Model 42 has a wheelbase of 142″ but I don’t know the front and back overhang. If you own one of these, and are willing, please put a tape to it. I also need to know for transporting how much trailer is required.

    Al

    #480561

    Good luck with your search. I have a 1931 model 42 sport phaeton. Just measured it bumper to bumper and it is 216”. My car has the spare in the rear and that measurement will accommodate the spare. As for a trailer, I have a 26’ trailer but you don’t need that much. If I remember correctly I rented a 20’ trailer to go pick it up. You might want to go for a 22’ just so you have a bit more room.

    #480562

    Another important thing to consider is the curb weight is something north of the 4800 pounds shipping weight from the factory for a 5-passenger sedan. It limited my choices when I bought my 31 model 43 sedan.

    #480565

    Alan,

    Here is weight and length information from the 1931 Dealer Data Book:

     

    #480631

    Thanks for the posted information regarding the 1931 Pierce-Arrow Model 42 I requested. I now have a couple of questions about this same model 42. On a running car, what is the likelihood of the block removable water distribution manifold needing to be replaced? What are the signs that this water manifold is failing short of leaking to atmosphere and running down the outside of the block? Next, does a Model 42 have an externally lubricated clutch throw-out bearing?  Next, are the wire wheels from a 1928 Model 133 Pierce-Arrow the same and have the same hubs as a 1931 Model 42? What is needed in order to convert a wood wheel car to wire wheels? Next, was 1932 the first year for Pierce-Arrow to offer a power assist for the brakes or was it 1931? If a good block flush is done on a 1929-31 Pierce-Arrow , what is the methodology to keep the rust sludge from migrating and plugging the radiator? What is a good flush compound to help clear the sludge out of the water galleys of the block? Maybe the best program would be to pull the water distribution manifold and mechanically clean the sludge out. Does anyone have experience to share?

    Al

    #480647

    Ed Minnie has written volumes on getting rust and sludge out of engines and radiators.

    Hopefully he has some of those detailed guides copied so he can post what you need with little effort.

    As for swapping the wheels, you will need to change the hubs to go from wooden wheels to wires.

    Good luck with your new purchase, and post some pictures when you can.

    #480650

    For information on the cooling system download PASB 2019-6 (Water Jackets) and 2018-6 (Rust Removal) from the website.

    A common way to prevent loosened rust flakes from moving to the radiator is to use the foot section of a woman’s nylon stocking. Remove the upper radiator hose, insert the stocking, fold the  stocking edge over the outside of the hose and the hose clamp over that to hold it in place.

    Actually, 1927 was the first year Pierce-Arrow offered a brake booster. ’27 and ’28 were a vacuum booster. No booster ’29-32. A mechanically driven booster from 1933-35.  1936-38 again had a vacuum booster.

    #480707

    Alan, call me my number is in the directory. 1931 cars used six lug wheels……a one year only setup. Also, hubs and drums are different on wire, artillery, or detachable. So wheels on any 31 or 32 Pierce are always difficult at best……and nightmare at worst.

    #480773

    an update is on the way……

    Al

    #480784

    More information needed regarding the 1931 Pierce-Arrow Model 42. Are all distributors the same on all Pierce-Arrows from the model years 1929, 1930 and 1931? If not the same, please help me learn the differences.

    Al

    #480811

    Alan, you should consider buying the wiring and tuneup guide from the club as it gives you the best information in one place. It lists 3 distributor numbers between 29 and 31 dependent on the model number and serial numbers of the specific model. Those numbers are Delco 668-E, 652-E, and 660-P. The only one I have worked on is the 660-P which is on my 31 model 43.

    #480812

    The Wiring and Tune up Guide is available for viewing or download on the PAS website under Publications > Owners and Service Manuals. There also are a few unbound printed copies available from the Company Store.

    https://pierce-arrow.org/members/owners-manuals/

    #480907

    Here is my current Pierce-Arrow update, and a few questions. A transaction was completed and I now have, at home, a very nice Black 1931 Model 42 Club Sedan. This Pierce-Arrow is known in the past, to the Pierce-Arrow Society, but has been out of circulation and unused for four or five years. This automobile is currently be serviced and prepped for this summer driving and touring season. Here are a few questions. Would someone contact me that has experience with the hood hold down catches? None of the catches, on this Pierce-Arrow, are functioning and I want to remedy that issue. It looks like a bit of a magic mouse trap for the catch to work as designed! does someone have a nice sketch of the fuel delivery system for a Model 42. I have studied the Society on line owners manual, it doesn’t give me the information I desire. I already know that fuel delivery is going to be an issue for reliable operation during the heat of summer. Also, the fuel gauge does not work.  I am guessing that the tank sending unit is rebuildable? I am also guessing that the problem involves a bad float, what are my options? As the Model 42 has an electric gas gauge, the remedy should not be a challenge. What is the best approach to dropping out the tank to facilitate repair of the sending unit? I also plan to do a radiator flush as a preventative measure to assure the best cooling possible for driving in the hot summer months. Short of a fueling issue this Model 42 looks, runs and starts nicely, and is very comfortable to ride in. The brakes are GREAT for an automobile of this size and weight.  If anyone has other first hand experience, hints or suggestions, as I prep for driving, I have a mind ready to learn. Lastly, I finally figured out how to post pictures on this forum. Please check out the following picture of the black Model 42 Pierce-Arrow, now living at my home in Utah.

    Al

    #480909

    1931 Model 42 Pierce-Arrow Club Sedan

    #480910

    Beautiful car, Congaatulations!

    #480934

    Al,

    Glad to see the trailer got you home! That’s a really nice car; worth the trip to WA and CA.

    Regards,

    Bob and Diane

    #480935

    Jim and Bob,

    Thanks for your kind words! I am looking for a healthy long term relationship with the Black Club Sedan. Now involved with tinkering to make sure all systems are in the best order to allow the Pierce-Arrow to run strong and reliably for the upcoming tour and driving fun.

    Al

    #480942

    I am going through the systems in preparation for summer driving. Here are my questions for today. What modern oil should I use during the up coming oil change?  If needed, what lubricants should be used in the transmission and rear axle? How much grease should be used on the throw-out bearing? So far so good. The gauges all work properly excepting the fuel gauge. I will address the fuel gauge in the fall. Good oil pressure and the charging system is charging as it should. I am part of the way into a fuel delivery improvement.

    Al

    #480943

    I am glad you have found what seems to be a very nice car.  Can you tell us its history?

    #480947

    Alan,

    Asking about oil usually opens a very large can of worms.  Below is a period lube chart for 1931.  I think most of it is self explanatory, although some of the oil numbers have changed.

    There are a lot of opinions on oil.  What I use is 15-40 Chevron Delo. Shell Rotella is similar. These are diesel oils, but are also rated for gas engines. They are high detergent. Any modern motor oil such as a 10-30 is OK.  If you want non detergent, a straight 30 is good for most summertime driving.

    There are two main areas of disagreement on motor oils, detergent vs. non-detergent and the use of ZDDP.  You will have to make your own choice on the detergent vs. non detergent controversy or how much ZDDP is needed.   Keep in mind that ZDDP didn’t exist when our cars were new and that too much (2000ppm+) may possibly be harmful to the engine. My opinion is that modern oils contain enough ZDDP (6-800 ppm) for our older engines.

    For the transmission, a GL 4 gear oil, either 90 or 140 wt. The weight of the oil will determine how it shifts and the timing on the double clutch. I’d try the SAE 140 first and if it doesn’t shift well when double clutching, try 90.

    For the diff. use a 140 wt gear oil rated for hypoid gears (GL-4). GL-5 is more easily found, but it may be harmful if there is any yellow metal in the differential or transmission.

    One other comment; don’t use chassis grease in the steering box. It should use a heavy oil or flowable grease, grade 000 or 00. If there is a grease fitting on the steering box don’t use a pressure grease gun or you may blow the seals.

    Hopefully some others will join in with their thoughts.

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