Starter brushes available if needed?

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1929 Model 133 RS Coupe

Starter starting to fail – smell it burning so time to remove and clear/rebuild? If needed, are brushes available and from whom? Questioning if the brushes and/or the starter itself are interchangeable or just strictly Pierce?

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Philomena,

Make sure your grounds are good first. You should have a Delco data plate on the starter. I should say 728-C, which I think fits up to ’31. There is a reference that it also fits a ’29 Studebaker President, I think.

You may want to check with Club Member Arnold Romberg and the people below that are listed in the parts section under electrical. The brushes should be relatively easy to find as they are Delco-Remy

Obsolete Parts and Equipment ,ask for Neal

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http://restorecarsclassifieds.com/wiki/show_pdf.pdf?n=3326

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I don’t know if the brushes changed between ’29 and ’33, but here are the part numbers for the ’33. I have also had a lot of luck with the antique tractor parts people. Tractors used a lot of Delco-Remy stuff.

Starter PA Model 836, 1933

Model 497

Brushes 16083 D750 D112 (these are various brand numbers)

Springs 34846

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I have seen them listed for sale by John Cislak with Pierce Parts Store but there are also 4 vendors listed in the Parts and Services section as well.

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Here are what the ’33 brushes and springs look like. The springs are a different design, but work fine. Notice the V groove in the brush, the holder should have a V to fit it into.

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Thank you all for your quick responses. This is one car club that I can always count on for help!

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I am sure John Cislak has the correct brushes in stocl for both Delco and Owens. The help offered here is one of the reasons this club is the best one of all in the hobby.

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Philomena,

If you still need them, here are you starter brushes on eBay

Item # 331387406888

Bill

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Thoes are not correct for all of the applications he is listing them for. More often than not unless you buy from a rebuilder or PAS known listed vendor in the charts, you won’t get the right stuff. I have seen brushes filed and sanded down in an attempt to get them to fit, as well as wire leads half the size as they were new. It’s best to have your samples in hand and ask for additional photos to be sure what you are paying for is correct. Cavet emptor! Ed.

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Hi Philomena, as mentioned above and in your gasoline additive questions, check the battery connections and grounds.

The most problematic side is the ground connection or the + Positive side in our Pierce cars. My ’29 roadster has the battery on the right side, under the floorboards. But later ’29’s the battery is under the driver’s side floor.

With either location, the original ground was a flat woven cable from the + battery terminal to the inside of the frame channel, or to a bolt on the top of the transmission shifter cover. Either way, you should have made up and install a battery cable that goes from the + battery terminal directly to one of the three bolts that hold the starter to the engine crankcase. This directly connected cable eliminates all the possible bad connections through the frame, motor mounts etc or transmission to engine block.

With very good connections to the battery, the starter will have full voltage, and draw less current when cranking the engine. A starter that is smelling hot, is drawing a lot of current.

The engine should not need a lot of cranking to get running, so avoid prolonged starter use. If the engine won’t fire after 5-10 seconds of cranking, any more cranking is only damaging the starter.

Hope this helps.

Greg Long

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Any other leads for starter brushes? I have called John Cislak twice and left VM with no response.

Philomena

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He was out of town at the Pierce meet. Call him between 730 and 930 pm as well as east coast business hours. Ed

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Nice car, but your right front tire is leaking oil! I’m serious about

the good looks of your car, anyway.

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I don’t think that came from her car.

Bill

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That oil is not from my car. That photo was taken at an entrance to a car show – that’s from someone else’s leaky car that was in front of me LOL

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A friend of mine found brushes locally for the starter, and rebuild is completed.

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Great news!

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