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Carl,

There is nothing in the Weis Files or the PAS database to point to this car.  There are not a lot of 1909 66s, and none with an owner name of Johnston. Minneapolis Fire Dept converted several P-A 48s and 66s to fire apparatus, but this occurred in the teens and early 20s, earlier than the article above.  Dave

This is a Minneapolis FD shop-built smoke extractor assembled in 1926 on a used 1920 Pierce-Arrow touring car chassis. The smoke extractor was patented by MFD Chief of Department Charles Ringer. It is missing the metal tubes on the sides. This is the first chassis the smoke extractor was mounted on. In 1935 it was re-mounted on a 1935 Ford chassis. In the 1940s it was mounted on a trailer and towed to fires. Then, in 1953 it was re-mounted on a 1952 Ford chassis.

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Thanks for the information. PAS records also show a Nicolas Ronco. Is this your father?

Dave

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Mena,

It is a nice looking car.  I added the photos you posted onto the car’s PAS record. The record shows you father having it since October 1950. If you can post or e-mail me the info on your uncle’s ownership, I will add that to the record. It is very unusual to find a Pierce-Arrow that is still owned by the original family.  Thanks, Dave

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Raymond,

I may have a digital copy. There are no pictures in the ’33 manual, just names and part numbers. I am on the road right now and will check on the manual when I get home. I also have a ’33 1247.

 

Dave

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Amos,

The 1969-3 Arrow has a lot of information about the Travelodge. If you don’t have this issue, I can e-mail you a copy.

 

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From PASB 2020-3:

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The links to the two manuals that Carl provided are now listed under “Service Manuals” in the Parts and Services Directory” and can be downloaded there.  They are VERY large (100’s of MB) downloads. They are viewable without downloading. Thanks to Carl for providing the links.

Pierce issued a number of Service Bulletins under various names, over the life of the company.  Mark has supplied some digital copies to the PAS (’20s era) and I will be publishing them on occasion in the PAS Service Bulletin. Thank you Mark.  Some are also in the PAS Library available at the AACA Library. Some have been published in past PAS Service Bulletins and should turn up in a PASB search on the website.

If anyone knows of a full set (roughly 600 or more) of the Service Letters,/Bulletins, I would like to digitize them for use in our Service Bulletin. Mark has gotten the process started. Eventually I would like to index them and make them  available on the website as was done with the PAS Service Bulletins.

Dave

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The links to these manuals have been posted in the Parts and Services Directory under “Service Manuals”.

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Carl,

Thanks for posting the links. Both of these manuals are downloadable, but are very large files.

The Pierce-Arrow Tune up information from the National Service Manual is provided in PAS Tune up Guide available in the Company Store.

Dave

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Carl,

I am pretty sure that I have a digital copy. I am out of the country until Wednesday. I can check when I get home. It will be a large file and will have to be sent using Wetransfer or something similar.

Dave

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Kevin,

Service Bulletin 1981-2 (page 11 ) has a number of lubrication charts including 840A.  On this website, under Member Pages, go to the Publications  & Technical tab and then Service Bulletin Library, find that issue and you can download it. Let me know if you have trouble getting it.

Dave

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Some additional photos from Glens Falls.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The 2023 Weis Award Winner, a 1936 1602 V-12 Convertible Coupe from Florida.

 

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There are several vendors listed in the “Parts and Services Directory” that deal with Honeycomb Radiators.

 

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Curtiss,

There are several carb suppliers listed in the Parts and Services Directory under Member Pages. If you find any are out of business (or you locate someone else) let me know and I’ll update the Directory.

Dave

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Pretty crazy, considering Hemming’s has another similar ’36 1602 listed for $49,500, and it has been listed for a while.

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Carl,

These photos are both of 1930 Bs. Two different methods of attaching the rod. I’m not sure which is correct.

 

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Dave,

Thanks for the feedback.

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Steve,

Arrow 69-3 features the Travel Lodges with copies of brochures, specifications, etc.  Printed copies are available from Dave Stevens. I can e-mail you a digital copy.

Dave

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This information is in PASB 99-5;

Connecting Rod Bearings on “8” and “12” Engines …..
To: (the owner of a ’34 Model 836A)
Your letter asks if the connecting rod bearings in your 1934 Model
836A engine may be replaced with modern shell-type bearings as described by
Eric Rosenau in PASB 80-3.
When this engine was designed, the crankshaft main bearings were laid
out as replacement shell type, but the connecting rod bearings were designed
as centrifugally cast-in-place babbitt, with babbitt thrust shoulders on ei-
ther side of the bearing.
The Pierce ~Twelve”, a later design, did not use the thrust shoulders.
Therefore, it is no great problem to replace the spun-in-place bearings of
the “Twelve” with modern straight shell bearings, but the connecting rod
bearings of the “Eight” require a shell bearing having shoulders on either
side equal to the thickness of the original babbitt shoulder. The rod width
is much less than the crankshaft bearing journal.
Further, the “Eight” rod was deliberately left rough in the big end
bore to form a better bond with the babbitt.
Therefore, in order to use a shell bearing, the rods must be accu-
rately diamond-bored.
The only shell bearing having thrust shoulders to fit this rod is the
Seagrave, made for this engine later by Seagrave, the old parts numbers be-
ing 28201 (upper and 28202 (lower). I do not know who supplied these to Sea-
grave, but suspect that it was the Cleveland Graphite Bronze Division, of
the Clevite Corporation, 17000 St. Clair Ave., Cleveland, Ohio.
Probably the simplest solution is to replace the poured-in-place bab-
~itt bearings and bore them to suit the crankshaft journals. There are exam-
ples of these “Eights” havin,g run a half million miles on such bearings, so
they may be adequate for an antique. If the bearing dimensions are supplied
to the vendor who is rebuilding your engine, little else should be neces-
sary.

PASB 68-1 also mentions the use of insert bearings for Seagrave V-12 for the rods with some machining required.  Seagrave is still in business, it might be worth contacting them.       [email protected]

Dave

 

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