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Thanks, Jim! I have a lot of respect for people who do projects like this, I have a good bit of money in it with no guarantee of return.
Am fitting the first window now. Made a special tool to cut the one leg off, then it needs a little sanding to be real nice. Fitting up the first one, test fitting all around and putting upright in place, I’ll post pictures.
There are a couple of little tricks I’m learning about this, I’ll put together a set of pictures and a little “how to” for future generations!
After working with this rubber, I wish I’d done it for the front windows, too. I think it would be a better fit. The Steele rubber is not only expensive, but seems too big, and vent windows barely fit the front.
thanks David C.
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Having trouble posting pictures of rubber, email me and I’ll send them to you if interested thanks David C.
Rubber is here. I’ve lost my emails that I couple of you sent, so please contact me again.
One short leg of the H will need to be trimmed where the vent window opens. See pictures. A razor blade easily cuts this rubber. I test sanded with 320 grit and it cuts it, but leaves more of a matte finish. If you’re good with a razor blade you may not need to sand.
This was made using dimensions for 1934/35 sedan rear window, it may work on other years. If you need the dimensional drawing contact me. This is for the opening window only, the stationary part of the window (as on an 840) is held in with an available style rubber.
$110 which includes postage in the continental US. 15 feet, an 840 needs about 7 feet for two windows, so enough to either experiment with or do two cars. Note this is a do it yourself project, what you get is the H shaped rubber, you install and cut to fit.
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I’m not the expert on 1929’s, but I would say that they would definitely not be polished brass.
From your picture of the original, it appears they were chromed, then the band and the area around the lettering painted black, but that’s just judging from the picture.
The correct motor does have the arm so that you can manually operate the motor. The brackets that come out the side of the motor are threaded, so the three holes in your windshield are two for the machine screws that hold the wiper in place (and are threaded into brackets) and one center hole for the shaft, to which the wiper arm mounts.
The original machine screws that hold the wiper in place, by the way, had snaps on the outer end, to which the front top flap snaps. The rounded portion of the wiper is mounted facing up, and the wiper arms at rest are both pointed toward the middle of the car.
The problem with buying even that expensive set is that you don’t know if they’ll operate, nor do you know if they can be MADE to operate. The pot metal they’re constructed of bubbles, and too many bubbles and you can’t clean out the inside enough to make the vacuum operate. Also, getting them plated is another whole can of worms, as they need to be prepared both before and after plating if there’s any chance of them working afterwards.
I recently had a long conversation with Mr. Jaquith out west who rebuilds these things, so it’s a subject I’m now well versed in!
The fuel gauge face is a repro, if it’s the same stamping as the temperature gauge, the fellow could silk screen the temperature info on one….
Here’s a repro on Ebay…I thought for sure I had a unit left over from my 34/35 restorations, but I can’t find it..
That’s his car, unrestored, by the way…
Can you tell from this picture which one he has?
An update on the vent window rubber. I went to great pains to make sure all my dimensions were right, they made the die, they produced the rubber, I’ve paid the piper, now just waiting for it to be delivered.
It should be in my grubby little hands end of next week. I’ll test fit, and if all looks well will contact those who showed interest in this rubber.
As an update, it’s an H rubber shape, dimensions to fit around the metal framework of a 1934-35 840/845 or 1240/1245 rear vent window. Part of the legs of the “H”” will have to be trimmed off for clearance on opening the window. A 15 foot piece will be $100.
Update to follow when I receive it. thanks David C.
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If it’s a lacquer paint job, it probably has no lead in it.
Some enamels of the time had lead content, particularly the brighter colors of paint.
There’s no law regarding an individual taking paint off a car at his private facility. If there is lead in the paint, however, you’d want to do it without raising a lot of dust (i.e. wire wheel) and dispose of waste material immediately.
Lead in paint was outlawed, so to speak, sometime in the 60’s or 70’s, I think…
That is a good story, Don…those auctions aren’t really a good selling place for Full Classic cars these days, so can understand why you got a bargain!
The Pierce Arrow Society is a great bunch of guys with a ton of knowledge, so don’t hesitate to ask questions.
What you have is arguably one of the prettiest years for most cars manufactured, and particularly for Pierce. A club sedan is very stylish and will make a great tour or show car.
Do you have any specific questions about the car?
Well, at least Dave added at the end of the story that the ban on fender headlights was “folklore”, which I’m starting to think is the real truth.
He also said his Pierce had an “ash frame”, but didn’t make it clear that it was the body that was framed in ash and covered with a metal skin…
And the interior..
Charles, that’s a beautiful car, very tastefully done. Here are a couple of pictures since you’re having a problem posting them.
Long ago, probably in the 1980’s, there was an AACA tour in the area of my hometown of Alexandria, Louisiana.
I was on the tour with my Pierce, as was the late Ron Barnett. I was talking to Ron, and somehow the subject of old fire trucks came up. I mentioned to him that there was a very old fire truck about two miles from where we stood, so old, in fact, that the ladder trailer had originally been pulled by horses. It was converted to a power unit with the addition of a huge chain driven truck. There was nothing on that fire truck that one person could pick up by himself.
So, Ron asked if we could go see it. Sure, let’s hop in the Pierce.
Ron sat in the passenger seat, looked out across the hood, and said “You know, I never have liked the look of those fender headlights, but they don’t look bad from inside the car…..”
On HAC Jr., here’s an obit…
I’ve been researching for the article, and Ed I believe you’re correct. Most writings refer to “Austie”, and only one I’ve found so far states “Austy”. The attached photo of one of his dusters seems to confirm that fact.
That “Austy” reference is in a British publication, so we’ll forgive them their mistake, and stick with Austie.
I know the old timers are familiar with him, but Henry Austin Clark Jr. led an interesting life. Born into the aristocracy of Long Island, his family at one point controlled much of the sugar produced in Cuba (up until the 1960’s). Austie was in the Navy during WWII, and is quoted as saying that when he left the Navy that was “the last paycheck I ever received.”
He attended Harvard, buying his first Classic car while there, and eventually his collection would reach over 200 cars. Many, many early cars passed through his hands, including my 1931 Pierce phaeton in the 1950’s. As someone mentioned to me, he had access to all the best garages and carriage houses!
Please, make no mistake, this thread being started IN NO WAY is criticizing bracket headlights.
It’s still a Pierce Arrow, and I’d never criticize one of those (oh, maybe comment on color or the red velvet interior, but not serious criticism).
My intent was to try to prove the headlight story true, but in absence of proof, then the obverse is proved by default.
I think there are a lot of antique car “truisms” that aren’t really true, and my intent with this discussion is to determine if the New York headlight story is true or false.
It’s easy for a story to be told so many times that it becomes “true”. It’s my understanding that most of those Cord or Auburn “This car has been driven 100 mph by Ab Jenkins” were plaques made in the 1960’s. Captain Kirk on Star Trek never, in any episode, said the exact words “Beam me up, Scotty”. Henry Ford said any color as long as it’s black, which is interesting since his first Model T’s were red and, I think, green. It’s not “money is the root of all evil”, it’s really “the LOVE of money is the root of all evil”. The Stanley brothers would NOT give you a free car for holding down the throttle all the way on a car for one minute. The list goes on.
I’ve searched the teens New York headlight laws, as Curtiss mentions, and have yet to find any mention of fender headlights…..
