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Anybody who’s depressed about a downward trend in the car hobby future

should feast your eyes on the results of Jeff Harper’s Auction. The items

were what was left after most of the valuable articles had left the premises.

The lots were well displayed and honestly represented. The final price

included 15% to the auction house and sales tax was extracted. When I first

looked at the offerings, I wondered if they would recoup enough to pay

for their efforts. I think the prices were enough to make a wholesaler cry.

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It’s great to hear something positive in the opening days of 2020!

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What goes wrong with these besides low or no vacuum? Is there any

maintenance required along with liberal amounts of RainX?

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For kinky tubes, try John Cislak.

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Hi,

The blackout came within 50 miles. I wasn’t effected as we have a community

company that gets about a third of our power from P G & E. SO Cal electric

companies didn’t do the blackout and several deaths and over 70 houses

burned in one of the fires caused by a guy who’s trash burning got away from

him. There were several other fires started down there.

Was the Daimler sleeve valve and did it hurt your eyes to look at the

design?

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A general rule of thumb for pre-15 cars is that there is a 1 percent

survival rate. My 1912 36HP had 850 produced (some say 1,000). That

would suggest 8.5 to 10 are hiding out there. Wreckers in the day

ate better when a Pierce-Arrow crossed their threshold. It’s hard to

wear one out when a good home had it. Which brings to mind a beef I

have. Why isn’t there a monument to Barney Pollard in front of the

AACA Museum. No collector did more to save rare cars that would have

been lost to the world. He was a scrap metal man during WWII when

early cars were most vulnerable. He saved 1,200 cars attaching 4 to

a post and standing them on their rear end. 110 were lost in a fire.

He was prosecuted for not turning the cars in for destruction. He

kept meticulous records for each car and showed that he made up

for each cars weight by substituting rails of equal weight. He beat

the rap. No other collector was responsible for keeping so many

great cars from destruction at such peril to his freedom. It’s time for

Barney to be celebrated.

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Ken, it’s great to hear that your efforts are finally paying off.

Integrating hotrod gatherings dispels popular thought about the

usefulness of aged vehicles and you’ll get your rewards maybe during

this life. I love your picture of your car with the brand P car in

quarantine.

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This car is similar to the car that was offered in Southern

California by a dealer. It took forever to sell it and I believe

it sold in the high $20 K’s. It was an old restoration, but still nice.

I think it might have been the ’22 “33”” that M. Hadley from Utah

used to own? Or is it the ’23 “”33″” that Jim West has?”

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I’ve never heard a bad word about Ernie! He was an inspiration to all of us.

My condolences to his family and his many friends.

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Don,

The price appears to be a fair one according to condition and the model. I

own one like it. They were the cheapest Pierce built (except for the earliest

one cylinder ones) and were in the Buick Limited price bracket unless you

loaded them up with side mounts and threw in an extra tail light like the

Fords had. They have an advantageous power to weight ratio. An old timer

who had 4 of them told me that as a college student in the old days, he

hopped one up. He could pull the old grape vine at 60MPH. It takes a lot

of gas pedal to make that speed on the new and improved freeway. I can

imagine what it would be like on twisty, two lane 1940’s highway.

Buy it and save it from a fate worse than death, transmogrification by

hot rodder!

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You’ll be the envy of your fellow tourers when bad weather interferes.

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I read the small print and it said that you have 24 hours to remove the car

after purchase. It kind of makes it rough unless you attend with quick access

to a trailer.

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Early Pierces were not the best at everything. They weren’t the fastest or

best looking. The brakes weren’t the best and some would complain about cone

clutches. However, if you had too much money and were looking to drive coast

to coast in 1910, there was no better car than a Pierce. Quality and

assembly could be compared with the best in the world. I’ve ridden in a 1910

48 HP Toy Tonneau at over 70MPH and it wasn’t frightening.

Clay Green’s 1909 P-A 40PP 4 cylinder touring has a 432 cubic inch motor. It

has a 124 inch wheelbase and cost $4.300 when a new house cost about $1 a

square foot. John Bertolotti has one also(may he heal up in a rapid fashion).

I have a friend that had parts of a ’09 40PP limo that sold new in Denver.

I don’t know of any others. These cars will cruise with Pierces from the

twenties and will top off in the 60’s. The hills are a piece of cake for

them. I believe they are asking a fair price for this rare car.

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I thought our Society had the rights to the name Pierce Arrow?

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Gather up the remains, get out your roster and look up local members,

preferably with your model. Find out where they have had success. ’20’s

generators don’t require rocket science and parts are often on hand or

can be fabricated. I just had a ’22 Studebaker generator restored by

a great guy in 1 1/2 months for $150, The trouble is he just survived

a serious bout of cancer and only works part time.

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Why not have yours rebuilt? Local members should be able to direct you

to a reliable shop.

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Peter,

A little dose of mirth complements the deadly serious conduct of Society

discourse. The exhaust from your cigar reminds me of Roland Zillmer, a large

influence on my pre-teen old car love fest. He had 4 pre-15 Pierces plus

the Tyrone Power Pierce which I got a ride in. My ’12 Pierce was purchased

from him. Leo Parnagian’s ’11 was owned by him and it was driven several

hours on the freeway on the way to be shown at Pebble Beach. Roland is the

only person to ever exchange a Dual Valve White for a Pierce-Arrow. He

will always be in my memory bank along with Leo and certain abusers of

aromatic nicotine.

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I agree with Duane on occasion.

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Loki was the Society Mascot and was usually more mild mannered than most of

members in attendance. I can’t imagine the depths of your grief. I wish I was

there to console you both and lift your spirits with a hug. You are a shepherd

to our Pierce-Arrows that need a boost to arrive in a future that may be

hostile.

Our time is short to celebrate, restore, and lay a foundation that will make

future generations embrace our enthusiasm for Pierces. Loki had the spirit and

was adept at managing the back seat of the ’25. Loki will live on in our

hearts and the many pictures taken while being a booster for our Society.

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When I attend CCCA events the movement is to ’41 Cadillacs and ’47 top end

Packards. I’m waiting for their acceptance for my 1915 T Touring before I

join. There’s hope. They’ve got the year part right.

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