- Home
- About Us
- Join/Renew
- Member Benefits
- Member Pages
- Log In
- Help
- Museum Store
The Marmon HCM with the fender mounted headlights was a Prototype that never made it to production.
Marmon would have been sued by the PAMCC for patent infringement if the HCM made it to production.
David,
Here is a Hemmings piece on HAC.
Peter
Gents,
Many years ago, I worked as a consultant for Woodman’s, in Essex, Massachusetts.
Woodman’s is a Clam Joint and claims to have “invented” the Fried Clam.
Larry Woodman (RIP), then President of the family firm (started in 1918 or so), once told me about their “invention” that History is what one person claims and no one disputes.
Thus it may be with Bracket headlights on Pierce-Arrow motorcars and “New York Lights.”
Peter
Curtiss,
Do you want to buy a slightly used bridge?
It’s in Brooklyn.
Peter
Roger,
Thank you for your learned and amusing comments.
Peter
I understood that the headlight POSITION was the problem and not the lenses, per se.
The family lore is that my 1925, Series 80 with fender mounted headlights (New York born and liveried until 2006) was fitted with cowl lights by my Great Uncle Joe (a PAMCC Supervising Foreman) to meet state requirements.
Perhaps the “aiming potential”” of the fender mounted headlights is different from that of the bracket mounted headlights.
“
Tony,
As an addition to my semi snarky NOPE, I must tell you that I thoroughly appreciate your well considered input, both on this Message Board and in person.
You are a veritable fount of detailed information on per-war motorcars; a true Scholar hiding in sheep’s clothing.
In addition, your collection of same is outstanding, bat guano and all.
I look forward to seeing one or two this summer at the PAS Meet in California.
Felicitations,
Peter
NOPE!
Not Sorry My Friend!
Tony,
Do you own three of them?
Peter
The current bid is a tad over $21K with 4.5-hours remaining.
I suspect that it will not hit $59.9K.
We will soon see if they want to sell it or keep an unreasonable reserve.
This Pierce-Arrow is offered on Hemmings for $59,900.
That seller put the car on eBay a number of times.
It did not sell in past listings because it did not reach their Reserve, which I suspect is in the range of $70K.
Perhaps, this time they lowered the Reserve to a more realistic number.
Mrs. Whitney disliked Eli’s attraction to the gin, but he told her to mind her own cotton picking business.
Tony,
Eli took a cotton to gin!
Peter
Arvydas,
Welcome to the PAS.
In searching these parts, you will need to be patient and persistent.
It may take years, and some machine shop work to fulfill your needs.
It is just that the parts are not as available as they were 10 to 15-years ago.
Good hunting and feel free to ask questions of the Series 80 / 81 group, as we are a large and knowledgeable bunch of Gents.
Again, welcome!
Peter
David,
If you want to contact him, here is Richard’s email address.
I corresponded with him about the restoration in 2015.
Peter
Curtiss,
Merry Christmas!
Nice picture, where did you get it?
It looks familiar!
HO, HO, HO!
Peter
Greg’s explanation is technically interesting, but it doesn’t solve the problem.
Perhaps a small bead of JB Weld on the center hole of a watch hand would close the hole and a touch with a Dremel on the underside would make a indentation sufficient to make the hand / needle sit on the pin.
Then, the magnetic field described above would hold it in place, but I don’t know.
Perhaps Greg know how to fix or replace the gauge, as I do not beyond my previously offered suggestions.
Maybe a Compass Needle is the solution.
BTW, per the description above, that is how Wayne Hancock’s reproduction Gas Gauges operate, and perhaps Wayne has a spare needle to sell, albeit smaller than.
If not, he may have information that will lead to a solution.
Finally Bill, if all else fails, your watchmaker should be able to fabricate what you need from a pocket watch hand.
Peter
Bill,
Regarding the hands on an old clock, I would try an old pocket watch, as they often have a diameter similar to that of the dial on your Triumph gas gauge, and in spite of the fact that they can be quite elegant, no one wants them these days.
Also, some of them were really cheap when NEW, so today they are almost give-aways.
See an eBay example below.
Peter
Bill,
As you have gently hinted a few times above, you seem up to your ears in projects, so please excuse our exuberance and just have fun with your “new” 1916 Pierce-Arrow.
BTW, as you already know, the best rule for not running out of gas is to FILL UP every time you go for a long ride.
It works wonderfully well and you rarely need to refer to your gas gauge (working or otherwise).
Peter
