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James,
BTW, all of the LAST info comes from the listings that Bernie Weis created many years ago.
In addition, I just spoke with my Good Cigar Smoking Buddy, Wayne Hancock, and he said that he bought Roxy from Dennis Craig, who may, or may not have, bought it from Greg Loftness and not the other way around.
I guess as with much of Life, it’s complicated. HA!
In any case, Congratulations on your very excellent Series 80 Runabout.
Peter
James,
Here is the long term history of ownership from the historical record of known Pierce-Arrow cars.
I don’t know where Greg Loftness fits into the sequence, although I believe that he is a Minnesota guy, so maybe he bought it / them from Ken Leitz.
“1926, Runabout, 801456 / 8014568, Dennis Craig (Walker, MN), earlier owner – Ken Leitz (Hamilton, MT), Parts — engine and transmission only / (Info from Marc Ralston, July 1, ’88)”
Marc Ralston was an early PAS guy who wrote one or two books about Pierce-Arrow cars.
Peter
James,
I’ll get back to you tomorrow via email with the info.
In addition, note the info that Tony provided, as it probably takes the history of the car back 15 to 20-years.
Further, you gave me the numbers that I need.
The body number is the chassis number.
Peter
James,
Post the Body Number and Engine Number and I can look it up for you.
Peter
Brooks,
I will be there, come hell or high water!
Peter
James,
SWEET! You bought the Wayne Hancock Runabout!
That is an excellent and well sorted Series 80.
I believe that his / her name was previously Roxy.
Will you keep that name or rename your new baby?
Congratulations and welcome to the Pierce-Arrow Society and the Series 80 Family.
Peter
Oh My Goodness, what a sad piece of news.
Phyllis was a wonder.
God Bless Her.
We all need to be sending our deepest condolences to Fay.
Gents,
I was just being cheap, and considering that the pad is 1-1/4″ wide, there shouldn’t be too much problem with a variation in thickness.
Also considering how the guys in the 50s, 60s, 70s & 80s cobbled Pierce-Arrow cars together before the Internet and Message Boards, I though my solution was both Right On and Elegant Old School!
Per Arnold, I too like the other suggestions offered, even if junk tires are cheaper and virtually indestructible.
Cheers,
Peter
MG = Drugs
KB = Photos
Maybe you meant MB = MegaByte.
My experience is that a 25kb photo will upload.
Much larger may have problems.
Also, the image needs to be a JPEG – JPG photo
John,
BTW, the value of the EDL is likely close to that of the 7-Passenger model, Coach or DeLuxe.
Peter
John,
I am sad for your friend’s / friend’s family’s situation.
I certainly did not think that you were of malicious intent, but merely doing a favor for a friend.
I was just acting as a Past PAS president policy hack.
Being the owner of a 1925 Series 80, 7-Passenger DeLuxe Sedan, I can tell you the the easiest way to determine Coach vs. DeLuxe from 30-feet is the tailing edge of the rear window.
The Coach is straight and the DeLuxe has a lovely curve.
Each effect carries on to the rear roofline design.
For useless trivia, the difference in cost between a 1925, Series 80, 7-Passenger DeLuxe and a Series 80, EDL was about $45.00.
Yup, just $45.00 for that lovely mahogany divider that hid the jump seats and provided a roll-up window for privacy.
Those were $4,000.00 autos in 1925 when a Ford Model T enclosed car could be had for under $500.00.
Peter
Charles,
You might consider going to a tire shop and get your hands on a worn out tire.
You can butcher it with a serious razor-knife and cut out a few pieces from the sidewall.
On my Series 80 those pieces are not hockey-pucks, but rectangular pieces that have a “U” cut in center of the long edge for ease of installation.
They sit on the chassis and the studs from the radiator sit on the rectangular pieces.
I wouldn’t think that the thickness is TOO MUCH of a problem, however I would consider having two thicknesses of sidewall, or some similar tough rubber material so that you have 1/4″ to 3/8″ thickness.
Then, just bolt them down tight and you should be go to go.
As usual, others will chime in, but this is not a high-tech, critical piece and I believe that on my Series 80 the radiator rest pads are not rubber, per se, but thick (as above) woven, perhaps tar coated, material.
You need a cushion, and not a serious shock absorber, because you are going to bolt the radiator snug anyway.
Just my thoughts on the matter.
Also, Restoration Supply might sell something for that application.
Peter
John,
Officially, the Pierce-Arrow Society does not offer valuations on Pierce-Arrow vehicles.
This matter was a topic of discussion a number of years ago at a PAS Board of Directors Meeting.
The position came subsequent to other persons indicating the the value of their car was provided by the PAS.
I believe that this position also applies to Members of the Board of Directors.
You may use whatever others offer as valuations, but they cannot be used with a tag / caption / endorsement that the valuation came from the Pierce-Arrow Society.
Of course, you can search the internet for cars for sale and you will undoubtedly find prices higher than those from auction selling prices.
High auction prices require at least two individuals who WANT a particular item and care not what they pay.
If your valuation need is for estate matters, then published Offering Prices from Online Sellers would be preferable, that is unless you want low-ball prices.
You may also use vehicles listed on the PAS Emporium as comparable, but again, without endorsement from the PAS and keep in mind that many of those prices are high.
I hope that this information is useful.
Peter
James,
I just looked at the website that David Coco mentioned, Antique Auto Hardware, and they look to be the place to go both for price and availability.
Peter
Gents,
Here is the translation of which Paul writes.
It makes little sense re: Pierce-Arrow.
It is obviously about Chevrolet and their 1930s product line.
Peter
For more than 3 years, more Chevrolets than Ford were sold, but Chevolet felt Ford’s hot breath in the neck and, therefore, came in 1935 with the Modern Standard and Master Sedan, which were voted “The Most Finely Balanced Low-Priced Car Ever Built. “. The Master was clearly more luxurious and the Standard was meant to be a price fighter and therefore had to do less beautiful technique. For example, the Standard has a “normal” roof, while the Master is already provided with a fully steel roof. The Master had so-called suicide doors while the standard had to be done with living doors. The engine remained the now-known 6 cylinder.
Richard,
Don’t rush to buy them.
It is not as though you need them to get the car to run.
When I bought it, my Series 80 had a bolt in two of the primer cup positions.
After years of looking, I found two in the strangest place, an estate sale – no other P-A things, just two Series 80 primer cups.
I paid $1.00 each.
They are out there!
Patience will provide you with what you need and at a reasonable price.
Peter
Rich,
Besides Greg’s stash of Series 80 types, you might contact Wayne Hancock who had a setoff six or seven, that is if he didn’t sell them to me.
I forget, so I’ll look.
Peter
Richard,
If you have the Series 4 Parts book, take a photo of the illustration and post that photo (now that you are a photo pro) so that others will know what you want.
Peter
Richard,
Regarding photos, they have to be very small jpegs and about 25kb or smaller.
I’ll send you an email with three photos now on the website and you can GET INFO on them to see how small they are.
I believe that I need to use PREVIEW (Mac guy) to make them that small.
Peter
