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Randy,

I don’t expect that you want to disassemble, or want to have someone else disassemble your doors, however if you do not own set, it would be wise to purchase from Greg Long the two lock sets necessary to complete your doors.

Who knows, someday you become so motivated to compete the doors.

If I were you, I would also remove that bottom window molding and look down the hole to see if a locking mechanism, minus the post and lock, exist inside your door.

If that is the case, then there may be a way to take apart the mechanisms that you buy from Greg (if you do) and place them into the existing mechanism from above.

It is just a thought and likely a better thought than just buying the locks from Greg so that you can jury-rig the locks so that they look functional, but actually are not functional (using just the bezel, flipper and pin).

BTW, see the finish on the flipper in the photo, that is BUTLER FINISH.

It is not just worn, it is clearly nickel, but not at a high polish.

Cheers,

Peter

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Randy,

Check out this website for the correct locks on a Series 80 2-door.

Peter

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/pierce-arrow/80/1947658.html

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Randy,

So, from the number of holes (3) on the window molding, it appears that your car takes the standard Series 80 locks and not the locks from the Series 81 that has a single button (2 holes).

It also seems that Greg has a set available, so you should be good to go.

Peter

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Randy,

Reproductions only, not originals?

Which cans, TYPE A (center) or inner & outer?

By trim rings, do you mean bezels?

If so, how many?

If not, what?

Lenses?

Mounting bracket?

There are hoarders in the PAS who could help, but they need details.

DK of any reproductions.

I had all of my own (brass, not steel) repaired and re-plated.

Peter

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Randy,

I believe that the Series 81 cars had the interior door handles that you describe.

If I am correct, you may have a combo of Series 80 window molding and Series 81 doors / door opening mechanisms.

The problem with switching to the correct openers for a Series 80, even with the correct mechanisms, is that you will need to disassemble the doors.

That would be a major pain.

Whereas, if you go with what you have, all you will need to do is alter the two window moldings so that the holes no longer show.

You would likely find it easier to find a nice, polished, large headed, round-topped, bolt to fill the hole, and who knows what interesting types of pieces you could find to do that job.

BTW, stainless steel polishes up to be a very close match to nickel plate.

All of the exterior bright-work screws and bolts on my Series 80 are polished stainless and one cannot see a difference between their color and the color of the nickel plated pieces that they hold together (taillight assemblies, cowl light mounts, etc.).

Finally, the interior nickel pieces on the Series 80 have a BUTLER FINISH, meaning that the nickel plate is not highly polished; they are a bit dull in appearance.

Peter

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Jim,

HA!

A memory is a terrible thing to lose, and mine is floating around here somewhere.

Your recollection caused me to find the Bourden type gauge and to understand its operation.

Applying a vacuum does indeed pull back the needle.

It’s just too bad that I did not do that FIRST, as it might have saved me a bit of fussing with the mechanics.

After fussing, I tried your solution an it works well.

Thank you.

Peter

http://instrumentationtools.com/bourdon-tube-pressure-gauge-working-principle-animation/#.WeS-pEyZPJy

http://instrumentationtools.com/bourdon-tube-pressure-gauge-working-principle-animation/#.WeS-pEyZPJy

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Greg,

Thanks for your input.

I did review the Series 80 Owner’s Manual and noted the operating oil pressures, both Hot & Cold.

I had some recollection that one of the Series 80 Boys told me that their Series 80 ran 50 to 80-psi when cold, but that it dropped as the engine got to normal operating temperature.

I was going on that recollection.

Currently, at an ambient temperature of about 75-degrees F, the engine pumps out 15 to 20-psi at start up.

I have yet to have the opportunity to drive it a bit to get the engine to operating temperature.

The good news in all of this is that the gauge about which I was writing is a SPARE unit!

Again, thanks for your input.

Peter

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Gents,

BTW, it is a BOURDON type gauge.

Eugene Bourdon (1808 – 1884) was a brilliant French watchmaker and engineer who invented the Bourdon gauge in 1849.

Peter

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Gents,

I got the needle to rest at ZERO after a bit of fooling around.

Thank you.

Does this unit work on vacuum pressure, or positive pressure?

I suspect the latter.

The original oil pressure gauge installed in my Series 80 pretty much stays at 20-psi on startup and I believe that is should be substantially higher until the engine oil warms.

Would it be useful to first check the lines to see if they are plugged and then consider fooling with the oil pressure adjustment on the driver’s side of the engine?

I could swap out the gauge sets after I check the oil lines and then I could see if that spare gauge shows different numbers.

What do you think?

Peter

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Jim,

I just did an internet search for a Borden Tube type gauge.

The answer is, YES!

So what I think is a circular spring is actually a tube, correct?

If i put a hand operated vacuum pump on it, should it move and adjust the pointer?

I guess that i will see.

I hope that I didn’t already mess it up.

I’ll study the internet info.

Thanks,

Peter

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David,

Quite slick!

What a find, and it fits your car, WOW!

The only problem is that you told everyone what you paid.

Now, you can’t make $400 profit on a PAS Emporium sale if you decide that you don’t like the way it looks.

HA!

Peter

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Curtis,

That is a good idea.

We discussed it in a Board Meeting a few years ago and declined to pursue the matter because few, if any Board of Director Members are FaceBook members (myself included).

However, if the PAS wishes to reach and attract younger members, perhaps we should not be so much like the PAMCC, but change with the times.

I will make sure that it is a Board Agenda item for discussion either for the Winter Board Meeting or for the Annual Meet Board Meeting.

BTW, does that mean that I really need to activate a FaceBook account?

I guess so, huh!

Peter

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Gents,

Here is the second variety “Body by Pierce-Arrow”” badge that I mentioned above.

Peter”

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pierce-Arrow-Body-Builders-etched-brass-plate-1903-1930s-/112230056202?hash=item1a216ec10a:m:m47ZLdl_wMTkrD3kgErUW5g&vxp=mtr

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Gents,

Two different “Body by Pierce-Arrow” badges are available for purchase from Nostalgic Reflections (eBay).

A few individuals I know, of course, NOT ME, purchased the badge and installed it on their Series 80 on the cowl as described by Greg.

The only badges that I have seen on cars seem to be one of the two varieties offered by Nostalgic Reflections.

I have no idea how that badge arrived on MY Series 80, but it boasts one.

Peter

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pierce-Arrow-3-D-Body-Builders-Data-Plate-Buffalo-New-York-1903-1930s-/201326440205?hash=item2edffdaf0d:g:0XgAAOSwtvtVVZfp&vxp=mtr

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Gents,

If you go to the Coach Built website, you can click on coach builders from any state in the US.

Doing so will produce a list of all Coach Builders of the time (cars, trucks, Limos, etc.).

Don Lee was a California Coach Builder who produced “Cars for the Stars” and did many Pierce-Arrow cars.

Here is a quote from the Don Lee write-up: “At the height of his career (1919), the great comedian Roscoe Conkling “Fatty” Arbuckle was the highest-paid star in Hollywood. He main­tained a small fleet of expensive cars that included a Stevens- Duryea, an Alco, a Rolls-Royce, a White, a MacFarlan, a Renault, a Cadillac and his favorite – a 1919 Pierce-Arrow “66” touring.”

Unfortunately, the list of Coach Builders in each state is LONG, so it takes some knowledge and time to sort through the list.

Again, have fun with the history research.

Peter

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/l/lee_don/lee_don.htm

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Greg,

Voila! Rubay!

Peter

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/r/rubay/rubay.htm

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Randy,

Being that Brooks chimed in in this matter, I suggest that you give his three automobile books a read.

They are excellent sources of information on the cars in which we have interest.

There are also many others who have written on the topic, Marc Ralston being another excellent source in his book, Pierce-Arrow.

There is much to be learned about the time when luxury motorcars were Crafted and not Manufactured.

Each Pierce-Arrow was hand-built and in some ways, each is unique, though they share parts.

When you are in Hershey, see if you can find Steve Rossi and get him to bend your ear for a bit.

Steve is brilliant on these topics.

Happy Pierce-Arrow-ing,

Peter

http://www.amazon.com/Pierce-Arrow-Marc-Ralston/dp/0498024512

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Gents,

Also note that Brunn & Company, of Buffalo, made custom bodies for Pierce-Arrow cars.

I believe that Bob Sands owns an exquisite Brunn-bodied Piece-Arrow car.

Judkins, LeBaron, Wilson, Waterhouse and other coach builders also bodied P-A cars.

The running frame was shipped from the PAMCC to the coach builder for creation of the body and interior.

Basically, wealthy individuals who could HAVE (versus OWN) Pierce-Arrow motorcars often wanted THEIR Pierce-Arrow to be different / better / more exclusive than the other wealthy individuals who MIGHT be willing to settle for a car with a Body-by-Pierce-Arrow (American Body Company).

The world changes, but not people.

Note that in “Old Boston,” it was said that well-to-do women did not OWN hats, they HAD hats.

As indicated, people do not change.

Peter

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/b/brunn/brunn.htm

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Randy,

Years ago, a Gentleman named Jim Frietas, an Excellent friend of my Uncle Joe (from whose estate I purchased my Series 80), told me that his Grandfather, Emannuel J. Frietas was a VP at The American Body Company in Buffalo.

Jim told me that they made bodies for Pierce-Arrow and for a number of other marques.

Below, I add the link about The American Body Company.

Cheers,

Peter

http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/a/american/american.htm

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Hey Hershey PAS Gang,

Cheers to the PAS Members for helping Dave Stevens staff the Pierce-Arrow tent.

I am not attending Hershey this year, but I found that when I did my Tent-Stint, that lots of people visit the tent and it is a great venue for promoting the Pierce-Arrow name.

For those of you who are new to doing this duty, you will meet a number of people who were “just names” seen on the Message Board.

I met numbers of PAS people who I would never have met if I didn’t do duty for a few hours a few years ago.

As a hint, make sure that you “spot” your Home Base on your Smartphone before heading to the PAS tent, because finding your way back to your Home Base through the massive number of tents at Hershey can be daunting experience. It is quite easy to get lost and to wander the fields like a ship without a rudder.

I do envy you who are soon to enjoy the Hershey experience.

Also, I believe that Tony Zappone is going to Hershey for the 52nd or 53rd time.

Maybe Bob Sands is in competition for the Top Spot, but only Bob & Tony know.

You will be able to have a laugh when you spot Bob, because he always sports a HUGELY scruffy beard!

Perhaps, we can find out who is the TOP PAS Hershey Attender?

Safe travels and I trust that you will enjoy excellent Fall weather.

Have fun!

Peter

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