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I think it was a good deal, too, for someone who wants a great tour car.
I know the car is very nice, but am sure that the older restoration had something to do with the seemingly low price. The high rollers want perfect cars, and anything that has an project potential brings less money.
I like the fact that it’s an eight cylinder. I can take an eight apart and fix things, I can’t say the same for a twelve.
This is a car that’s been sorted out and proven, and as long as someone doesn’t mind a little wear on a car, would be a wonderful driving car.
Hope too that it shows up in the PAS….
I understand the ’32 convertible sedan went for right at 100K, an older restoration, but still seems like a very fair price for an open, tour proven, car….
Since Ed mentioned my name, thought I’d make a comment. John Cislak rebuilt my carb (UUR-2) and mechanical fuel pump (sorry, I hate electric pumps) for my ’31 Model 43.
The difference is incredible. Smoother starts and running, more power, better throttle response.
My work must have been done before price increases, as it was very reasonable.
Here’s picture, details not yet posted on auction site
Those “experts” are victims of a form of psychological transference. Their thought process is that “I don’t have any interest in brass cars, so nobody has any interest in brass cars”. I believe the current theme of “no one wants an old car anymore” is being driven by this thinking.
Big brass will bring big dollars. Though there are a lot of big collections out there owned by older people, and more and more early cars will come on the market, there is still a base of people who want brass cars.
I remember when the Harrah’s auctions were supposed to affect the entire old car market, that many cars sold at once would surely lower prices. Not only were record prices for the time paid, but the cars were swallowed up in the collector car community easily.
There are some great cars coming out of the Boulton collection, go get ’em guys!
I think you got it right, Greg! I looked at my number and year, and a casual glance showed that at least one person who joined AFTER me has a lower number! Oh well, doesn’t matter in the least as far as I know….
I didn’t realize we had a membership number??
I had a nice talk with Kevin.
What a shame, he had a more or less complete truck, similar to the one that was featured in the Museum newsletter. He tried to sell it, no takers, so he kept what was left of the engine and scrapped the rest.
The engine is apparently in sad shape, as he said, it will never run again. Guess some parts might help people out.
He’s sending me pictures (snail mail, he doesn’t do email) of the wrenches and such, doesn’t sound like anything that’s unusual.
Thanks for lead, had a nice talk with him…..
Sheesh, that ’33 is beautiful, although I’m just itching to put a new top on it!
Bill and Aniece were an interesting couple, I used to tour with them on CCCA events. Bill is gone, of course, but Aniece kept quite a few cars, don’t know what she has now, although a friend of mine transports cars for her so she’s apparently somewhat active now.
I remember her telling the story about when they first started dating, and somewhere in the conversation he said that he collected cars “and had a few”. She said she was astounded when she first walked into the collection, having no idea of the extent and quality of his collection at the time.
We’ve struck out with a couple of suppliers, who first said they could make them, and then backed out saying no.
Still looking for someone who can fabricate them at a reasonable cost.
Yes, that’s correct, for some reason I’ve gone years and not known this…!
I now understand this material available from LeBaron Bonney…..
Peter, I think all he had to do was polish the paint a bit…. 
That’s it! I also posted the picture as a test, had no trouble posting, I don’t know size of pictures but I don’t recall having any trouble posting pictures. Would be nice as mentioned to be able to post more than one picture per post….
Peter, it’s almost gotten out of hand. I now have hundreds of items relating to Pierce, from factory and dealer items to items from companies which promoted their use of Pierce Arrow equipment.
And, just when I think I’ve seen it all, something “New” pops up. I’m a serious buyer, although that probably translates to “crazy”….. who out there knows where THIS banner was displayed, and when? This one I know!
That said, there are others with great collections, and I’ve seen many items I dont have. You can’t kiss all the girls!
I don’t see any of this as whining, it’s a discussion of what we have currently and thoughts on changes.
Greg sums it up well, “We do need to proceed, but proceed with caution”.
I further agree that if one really wants to provide “change” input, and not just discuss it as we have here, then contact a member of the BOD. I’m sure they’d appreciate the input….
The banner is from my memorabilia collection, by the way. The letters and arrow are heavy felt, sewn to the pennant. I’d love to know the history of it but have no idea, have had it for a while.
One has to be careful about what is considered progress, or progressive.
I’ve enjoyed for years the Model T Ford Club of America (MTFCA) forum. It was linear, had two places to look, Forum and Classifieds, and was easy to read and see what threads you’d missed.
It was updated and “improved” January 1st of this year. Now, it’s a very tedious task to look at threads and figure out what you want to look at and where you want to be.
I’m sure in someone’s mind it’s an improvement, but in my mind, it makes it a pain to go there, so I go there less.
I’m not against change, just don’t make it a change that makes reading forum more difficult for the casual use…
Usually a headliner is of a lighter material than the seat upholstery. In this context, “lighter” means less heavy. Since the material has to hang, being lighter means that there’s less chance of sagging.
It’s been traditional in closed cars that the headliner was also a lighter (in shade) fabric, so that the car didn’t feel like being in a dark cave.
As far as originality on this car, I can’t comment. The Harrah’s restorations were excellent for the time period, but standards were different and it wasn’t as easy to reach out to owners of similar original cars.
Richard, throwing grease isn’t the problem, and in fact the originals were lubricated with oil that was distributed by centrifugal force. If there’s grease in it, it won’t get to the bearing surfaces correctly.
If a fan hub fails, and they do fail, then expect major damage to occur. The Cislak hubs are cheap insurance, and you never have to worry about them again. I’m running an “original” on my ’31 phaeton, but the fellow who restored it in 1960 reworked the hub in much the same way as Cislak hubs are designed.
And yes, I agree, when you start adding up the number of parts, and thinking that each one had to be designed and made (or specified and bought), it’s amazing that cars could get put together….
