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Gents,

Also, there is a Lenox Hotel in Boston, but it is not related, save for the name.

Perhaps, it was a common practice to name a Luxury hotel after the wife of King George, III, as was the Lenox Hotel in Boston.

Cheers,

Peter

http://www.historichotels.org/hotels-resorts/the-lenox/history.php

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Gents,

I copied this from the link I show below.

Originally built 1896 as an apartment building, the Lenox was converted into a hotel in 1900, probably to take advantage of the Pan-American Exposition crowds. It offered an electric carriage service exclusively for its guests. The Lenox survives today as one of the last hotels in Buffalo.

Very elegant in 1898, the apartment building was a very fashionable place to live. It had a front porch and huge stone pillars that had been carved.

Mansions surrounded the hotel. Next to the hotel (where Walgreens is now located) was the Root House by McKim, Mead and White, one of the most influential and prestigious architectural firms in the country. Across the street from the Lenox and the Root were two more mansions by McKim, Mead and White: the Metcalfe House (demolished 1980), and the Williams / Butler House at the corner of North Street and Delaware Avenue, perhaps the most beautiful residential building in Buffalo.

Says Brian Dyche, the manager of the Lenox in 1994, “It [the Lenox] was for people who maybe spent the summer in the Hamptons, the winter in the city. The rooms, most of them, were full suites with kitchens, breakfast nooks, servants’ quarters.”

Peter

http://www.buffaloah.com/a/north/len/

http://www.buffaloah.com/a/north/len/

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Ed,

I bought an exhaust from Waldron (see Parts & Services section), but only the muffler fit and I had to have a local custom car muffler shop bend and fit the down-pipe and adjust the tailpipe (they still brag about it when they see my Series 80 at car shows).

Maybe a local muffler shop can come up with a good fit for the MUFFLER and WELD the mounting bracket in the correct place for mounting the muffler.

That was the essential piece for me, as on a Series 80, the muffler bolts to the chassis.

From there, the other pipes were easy for the custom muffler guy to bend and fit.

Good luck,

Peter

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Randy,

i guess that no photo is required thanks to Greg.

Peter

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Randy,

BTW, do you have the print version of the Series 80 Parts Catalog?

If not, you should buy one as they are invaluable.

Peter

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Randy,

I went to my Series 80 last evening with the intent of photographing the pan, BUT I soon realized that I need to lift the car in order to attempt to take a photo.

I will do so in the next few days and post the photo.

The center pan is a very complicated piece.

It is ONE piece with a series of obtuse angled folds.

Replicating it will require the skills of a very good sheet metal craftsman.

I will see what I can do to get you a photo soon.

Peter

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Randy & Jim,

I’ll take photos of the front smash pan(s) sometime soon and post them on this thread.

They are a BEAR to mount and require that the side splash pans are not tightly bolted in place for the front pan(s) to fit.

After being attached, all tightens up well.

I forget if the front pan is a one or two piece arrangement.

Peter

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Randy,

Do you have a splash pan under the Fan?

It attaches to the front of the side splash pans.

There is also a small splash pan that fits on the engine side splash pan.

It fits around the exhaust downpipes (well, sort of fits if the down pipe is properly bent).

It this that about covers it, however if I am wrong, some else will chime in.

Peter

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Jak,

OMG! You are a TOTAL HOOT!

Although, I doubt that your experience with the tappet spanner was very funny at all.

I trust that a long magnetic probe / pick-up kept you from having to drop the pan.

Peter

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I am told that PIERCE LOGO key blanks are impossible to find.

A bit of trivia is that Independent Lock Co. now exists as ILCO, a commonly available replacement key maker.

Their modern keys lack the snazzy detail of their early keys and their Y-52 key that fits the Series 80 has a blade that is too short to completely enter the lock.

Therefore the key head needs to be ground down to “extend”” the blade length to allow the key to enter further and engage the pins.

I will post photos if anyone has a wish to see what I mean.”

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Hello Gents,

Here s another key that he says fits Pierce-Arrow motorcars.

Peter

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1920s-era-UNITED-MOTORS-SERVICE-KEY-BLANK-O1122R-Vintage-Pierce-Arrow-Pontiac/222618197350?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D47043%26meid%3D5842a11fc6114b3681129c7697365de0%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D15

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The 1925 just has a Yale & Towne Security key.

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Tony,

If you plan to DISPOSE of your 1912 P-A, how about my taking it off of your hands, for FREE!

I won’t even charge a Disposal Fee!

If not the 1912 Pierce-Arrow, how about the Marmon?

Just load one of them in one of your trailers and I will head to California, Lickety Split, to pick it up.

I will even take you out to Lunch as a Thank You.

Peter

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Tony,

You are correct about McMaster Carr and a bit of the super glues, particularly Marine glues would hold it in place until the end of time.

Peter

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Here is the address that will get you to the website.

http://www.sysrecon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ResistorColorChart.png

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William,

There appear to be 49 Model 65 (1907 – 1908), Model 60 (1909) and 66s (1910 – 1918) ( Q, QQ, A, A-2, A-3, A-4) from 1907 to 1917 known to exist and / or owned by Society members.

The total number produced is estimated at 1,584 with 540 recorded as known to exist as of 2011.

In 1913, 200 were produced.

There are currently 16 listed on the PAS Roster.

They are indeed rare and hugely substantial Pierce-Arrow Motorcars that GO LIKE THE WIND!

The 66 on eBay is a KNOWN car and was owned by a PAS member.

In the reconstruction of that 66, the frame of #66715 was copied by Russ Miller, of Sparks, Nev. to complete frame. and the body of #66715 was copied by Ray Graber.

P-A 66715 is reported to be in the possession of Rodney Flournoy of Northern CA, and knowing Rodney, he LIKELY (Joke!) drives it LIKE THE WIND! (Info from Bernie Weis list)

Rodney lives in Likely, CA.

Peter

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Calvin,

Contact Paul Morris for details on what in needed to upload photos.

I had to reduce the size of a number of my photos to upload.

Peter

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Hi Curtiss,

Excuse me if you can for being a smarty pants, but the car does not have gold plated chrome, it has gold plated brightwork.

The gold plated brightwork is most likely gold over nickel so that the base metal (steel) does not contaminate the gold plating bath.

Because I had the brightwork on my Series 80 re-plated, I came to understand the process for plating is: copper over steel, nickel over copper, and if need be for you chrome guys, chrome over nickel.

Apparently, chrome will not stick to copper and nickel seems to have the correct metallurgical properties to hold chrome.

BTW, I jumped in on this one because it is a slow day here at the Psychology Ranch in Olde Massachusetts.

Finally, it is an interesting story and I wonder if once completed there was a competition to “out do” the Shah of Persia’s Pierce-Arrow?

Rather than calling that one–upmanship sort of sport “Healthy Competition,” one might call it “Wealthy Competition.”

Peter

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Gregg,

Apropos of Bob’s, take a look are these and others like them on that website.

Peter

http://bobsautomobilia.com/suspension-and-steering/front-axle-limiter-bumpers-1928-30-all-fa-254/

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Gregg,

Have you tried looking on one of the Ford Model A websites or on the other larger car websites (Buick) like Bobs Automobilia?

Greg Long’s comment about fashioning one from hard rubber stock makes sense and Gorilla Glue could hold everything together.

Peter

http://bobsautomobilia.com

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