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Thanks for the info!

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I’m just curious, are the engine vent door supposed to be chrome on that Pierce-Arrow?

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Even the Pierce-Arrow color combo is more than a bit over the top.

Also, David is correct about the mechanicals being a crap-shoot.

Take a look at the engine compartments of the puppies, WOW, are they a mess, or what?

Would you really want to buy one of these, sight unseen?

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Gents,

For giggles, check out the other vehicles that seller has up for grabs.

The color combinations of the “modified” cars are garish at the minimum.

Take a look at the Auburn, Cord and REO, UCK

The exterior colors are strange and many of the interior colors are downright gauche, like purple mohair!

The Lincoln is nice on the exterior, but the interior is WAY too RED!

Peter

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George,

Now that’s the level of detail that I have come to expect from G.G.T.!

Peter

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George,

Numerous anonymous sources recently told me that the Series 81 takes a 8 and ⅛ lens.

It would be bad for a Series 81 Gent to buy that lens thinking that it would fit.

Peter

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222307031122?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

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Gents,

Here is a photo of the correct Series 80 clock.

Note the numeral font, with serif versus sans serif (both are being sold on eBay).

Also note the length of the stem, as some are shorter.

The stem unscrews and a long stem can be substituted for the shorter stem.

The face of this clock is a bit worn, but it is a spare.

Peter

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Greg,

So, because she was bodied by Derham, Miss Helen did not have standard PAMCC interior fittings and finish, eh?

I don’t doubt your assertion about the Series 33 and Series 36 vanities and clocks, but this message Board thread started discussing Series 80, Coach interiors.

The Series 33 and Series 36 were at least three times the cost of a Series 80 two door Coach.

The PAMCC options were endless and the more you paid, the more elegant was the motorcar you received.

Also, the enclosed cars got all of the fine details, because they were the Formal Cars and not the Runabout and Touring cars which were designed for running about and for touring (no windows and exposed to the elements).

The interior of a beautifully restored, or beautifully kept original Pierce-Arrow Sedan, regardless of the Series, is simply sublime. It is like having a sumptuous dinner in a fine restaurant, finished with a warmed snifter of VSOP and a great cigar.

For sheer elegance and comfort, I will take a Sedan all day long and into the night, but as I indicated above, there its no accounting for taste. HA!

Peter

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Greg,

Was Miss Helen bodied by the PAMCC?

If so, perhaps, the PAMCC put white faced clocks in the rear clock vanities of SPECIAL cars.

Or perhaps, Miss Hellen requested same when she Special Ordered her VERY SPECIAL and UNIQUE Pierce-Arrow Series 80.

That started, the standard Series 80 vanities do not come with clocks, just a smoker vanity and a Ladies’ writing / mirror vanity.

As to other models (36) or later year models of P-A cars, I DK.

Remember that the Series 80 was the more modestly priced P-A.

How many standard Series 80 Coach or DeLuxe cars have original vanities with clocks?

I bet none.

My 1925, 7-pasenger DeLuxe sedan is as DeLuxe as they came out of the PAMCC factory, as detailed by its storied history (family lore) of being owned by Myron Forbes (then president of the PAMCC) and its numerous factory added features.

As to the harshness of combining mahogany and a black clock face, one may dispute a man’s intelligence, but there is no disputing a man’s taste.

Peter

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Series 80 / 81 Gents,

Keep in mind that Pierce-Arrow used Waltham 8-day clocks in the dash having black faces and white numbers.

I assume, that if there was a clock installed in the rear as an option, it too would have a black face with white numbers.

Also, the numbers on the correct clocks are NOT Sans-Serif / straight, as in, they have a bit of Art Deco swirl to them.

Photo later.

Peter

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Ben and Linnea,

Congratulations to the Lucky Groom on catching such a Lovely Bride!

Best Wishes to the Lovely Bride for a Long and Loving Life filled with marital bliss and grand-scale Bach organ works.

Peter

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhRa3REdozw

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Gents,

OOPS,

Both vanities are there!

Very nice, even if for a Cad.

Peter

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cadillac-V16-Clock-OEM-Vintage-Working-Classic-/172385781647

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Randy,

Don’t hunt too much for holes, just note the placement of the vanities pictured above.

When you get a set of vanities, make a template of the back of the vanity with attachment holes included.

Then that the template and place it on the side panel for accurate placement.

Peter

Also note the link attached. Single vanity, the seller also has a SET for sale at their eBay store, but they are steel and for 1930s cars.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-CIGARETTE-AUTOMOBILE-ASHTRAY-CADILLAC-ART-DECO-1929-WOODEN-/172270505720

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James,

That is the correct puppy!

Very NICE!

Peter

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Gents,

My vanities are not from a Pierce-Arrow and after years of searching, I settled on the FIRST reasonable set that I found.

The good news is that they match the woodwork.

Yes, the window trim in the DeLuxe is mahogany and in the Coach is faux-wood painted steel, just like the dashboard on my DeLuxe.

I expect that the position of my vanities is correct, as I had a hole for a wire on the right rear panel and original screws in both of the side panels.

BTW, I would warn against wiring any 90-year-old cigar lighter to make it work in the car unless you redo the wiring in the car AND the wiring in the cigar lighter.

Electrical fires are not fun.

Peter

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Hey Greg,

Was the cooler a standard option on Ms. Helen?

Peter

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Here is the Smoker vanity, but note that the cigar lighter is external and horizontal on this vanity, whereas the originals had only the cigar lighter head showing – of course on a retractible cord.

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Randy,

The original Series 80 Smoker vanity and its complement with a mirror were leather covered with a thin silver line drawing / design that skirted on the face of the vanity.

They are likely the ones that David Stephens reports are in his Series 81.

They are near impossible to find.

I sold one in need of repair (with the cigar lighter and ashtray) a few years back after hunting for YEARS for its compliment.

I sold it after I hunted and hunted and finally found a matched set in bare mahogany on eBay.

I refinished them and installed them in my 1925 Series 80, 7-passenger DeLuxe sedan.

Peter

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Jak,

How about posting the eBay item number or the URL link?

Peter

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Gents,

I will work in bringing this to the Board of Directors for consideration.

The AACA Library is always manned, so that is the logical place to house it and Chris Ritter thinks it is a grand idea.

Peter

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