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Ernie visited me when he was in Albuquerque some years back and had a nice visit plus later we talked about 1929 Pierce Arrow 133 Roadsters.My thoughts go out to Ernie’s family in their loss.
Bill
Very interesting! Restoration Supply does sell the antique car lubricants made by Penrite of Australia and I believe they are the US distributor for the Penrite line.The people who had Classitique made it very clear about the dangers of using sulphur based lubricants in antique cars.I have a good supply of their lubricants on hand but when I ever run out I will most likely go Penrite.I have their literature which talks about ingredients.I also have literature in my files from Classitique that goes into great detail.I am most particular on what goes into my cars whether it be lubricants or fuel.Penrite seems to specialize in antique car lubricants so they are sensitive to these concerns it appears.
I use in the gearbox of my 1915 Pierce Arrow C-3 a mixture of 600W which I believe is 140 or 160 weight and and a 250 weight straight mineral gear oil.This is what I was told to use by a former PAS member now deceased who drove his car across the country.In the rear axle and pinion shaft I use the straight mineral 600W.I purchased these lubricants from Classitique who unfortunately are no longer in operation but today Restoration Supply can supply them.You ask about later cars: My 1929 Pierce Arrow and 1930 and 1931 Packards take 140 straight mineral hypoid gear oil in the rear axles and 600W straight mineral oil in the gearboxes.You do not want sulfur in these oils due to brass and bronze parts.I would talk to the people at Restoration Supply about what they might suggest given your climate.
Who owns the Model B Travelodge sold at the Veteran Car Museum {Arthur Rippey} on Sept.14,1972? I have alot of its history.
Something to keep in mind is that the pre 1930 Pierce Arrows with the exception of the very late 1929 models used a resistance headlamp dimming system which might not be compatible with LED bulbs.Even fixtures in a home on a dimming circuit require certain LED bulbs that are compatible with dimmer switches.These headlamps were designed to use certain bulbs and the wrong bulb could be a safety issue such as going out when dimmed or blinding oncoming drivers when on high beam.My Toyota Tacoma uses the H-4 halogen bulb and when I asked about going to an LED version of this bulb my service person did not sound encouraging.
Series 4 Model B-4 Five Passenger Touring Car!
Not sure if it is the same car but this car appears due to its size to be a Series 4 Model A-4 66hp with the Westinghouse shock absorber option.It is clearly a seven passenger touring car.
Clearly a Series 4 or Series 5,a Series 3 would have lower body sides.I wonder if this car still exists.
Oivind,
The Pierce Arrow in the photo appears to be a Series 4 or Series 5 48hp with modified wheels.
One must keep in mind perhaps the person who tried to correct it had vision
issues or was trying to work with what was printed.It could very well now be reworded when the 2020 roster is printed.I have been in the CCCA for many years and always somehow knew all Pierce Arrows in the years the club covers were Classics.The CCCA is picking up new members as they are listed in the publications.No one was trying to exclude 1926-1938 Pierce Arrows but yes,the wording could have been clearer.I think the changes may have caused the problem with wording.The first time I ever read a Classic Car and that was when I was a teen,I knew all Pierce Arrows were Classics and wishing I could find one in a barn in northern New Mexico.Somehow I think if we want changes in these clubs,someone needs to get on the board of the clubs and work to make positive changes.Again the collector car hobby takes money and that is going to be a limitation for many people even if they like these cars.The days of a $350 Pierce Arrow Series 80 Roadster or a $450 Packard 833 Roadster are gone.A friend really likes these cars and would love a 1941 Cadillac but he does not have spare money or the space.With no car he feels like a fish out of water.
Again it is the price of collector cars today that keep alot of people out plus having space to put cars.Take a look at the classified ads say from a Horseless Carriage Gazette or a CCCA Bulletin from 1960 and look at the prices then perhaps multiply that by 10 or so and you will see what I mean.You have the same thing with homes in alot of areas.The prices have out stripped the gains in income.Most organizations and not just car clubs have lost members.People are pressed for time.This topic could make for a very long discussion.
Greg and Ken,
I am very sorry to hear about Loki.My thoughts go out to you.
It just would have been simpler just to say all Pierce Arrows from 1915 through 1938.The They are trying to say that but the wording is confusing.This could be a typo and perhaps someone needs to bring it to their attention so things can be corrected.
The Model T Ford Club of Albuquerque better known as The Tin Lizzies of Albuquerque is a very active club that seems to be growing.The Pocos Quatros Model Ford Club as well as the Tumble Weed V8 Ford Club also are very active.I have been to a Pierce Arrow Society National Meet in a Porsche and everything was fine.I can concur on Model T Fords as I have several and really enjoyed them.My first was when I was a teen I bought for $100 and drove it home from Los Alamos To Santa Fe with no problems.I think the guy who sold it tome liked the idea of a kid who loved antique cars.
The CCCA as we know went back to 1925 for many years and of all the makes listed there were models of a number of these makes that were excluded.I suspect why they went back to 1915 was that was the first year of the V8 Cadillac and the L head Mercer for example.Interestingly enough I believe the left hand drive Locomobile of 1914 is considered a Classic since it is the virtually same as the Locomobiles that followed it.Peerless had their T head 48 in 1915.To try to do separate years for each make would have no doubt increased their work load.when I submitted my letter on going back to 1916,i also submitted a list of all the cars from 1916 that should be considered as Classics such as the Phianna,Leach and other high quality cars of that 1916-1924 which did not really have a club of their own and are highly interesting and many carried custom coachwork.Again this is not going to cause a huge influx of members.There are people who want the CCCA to take in cars post 1948.The big issue I see for this car hobby is disposable income and when I read that 40 or so percent of the American population cannot raise $400 to meet a family emergency,how are they going to afford any collector car? I have been in this hobby since I was a child and remember when one could build up a Model T Ford with parts out of field or arroyo.In the end though I think a Packard Twin Six at a Grand Classic makes for a beautiful sight.It is all about preserving history.
I will provide some background on this since I sent in a letter to the national board of the CCCA about 20 years ago proposing the the CCCA consider the quality cars of 1916 through 1924.My letter was undersigned by the signatures of a number of collectors so as not to be dismissed.I did not want to impede on the HCCA so 1916 I felt was a good beginning point.This change was accepted with some modifications by the board but then just a few years ago the board with as I recall a vote by the membership decided to go back to 1915 and from what I was told the HCCA had no issue with it probably due to the fact so few high quality cars from 1915 even survive.This makes cars like a 1915 Pierce Arrow,Packard or Cadillac for example both a Brass Age car and a Classic.A move I would like to see the CCCA make and if I recall correctly at one time they had a special interest class which would take in cars like a 1938 Ford Phaeton or a 1932 Chevrolet Roadster.From reading “Classic Cars” I borrowed when I was a teen,these special interest cars apparently went on the Caravans.Later this was discontinued and it might be a good idea to bring it back.I do not feel the PAS excludes pre-1916 Pierce Arrows but one must remember that not many pre-1916 Pierce Arrows are still around and they rarely change hands.
David,
I am not certain if the tire lock ring retainers for the 1931’s are the same as for the 1929’s but the ones for the 1929’s and 1930’s were reproduced a few years back.You might want to check some back posts on the PAS site and see if you can find a name.
The Classic Car Club of America has accepted Pierce Arrows since its inception as well as many other luxury makes including Packards.I believe more people in recent years have joined the clubs that focus on the makes they collect.I really feel it is the prices of these cars that limit membership in many collector car clubs.
They mean all Pierce Arrows from 1915 on up through 1938.Prior to the changes of a few years back,it was all Pierce Arrows from 1925 up through 1938.
Rick,
Do you have a copy of the 1929 Pierce Arrow parts book? I believe the handbook has a tool list.The tools will have the Fairmount name on them as well as Pierce or in some cases may not have a tool maker’s name.What tools do you have now? I am in the roster and feel free to call me as I have alot of Pierce Arrow tool information.
