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You will notice on the left side of the windshield base right below the folding mechanism three holes that may have bolts in them.This is where the Lorraine spotlamp bracket bolts.It is sort of horn shaped.The shaft of the lamp goes through this bracket and the lamp control handle is by the steering wheel.I own a very original 1929 Sport Roadster with her original Lorraine lamp.There is no provision for windwings.The phaetons,roadster and touring cars all came with this spotlamp.It is a difficult lamp to find but you might contact American Arrow as they make new spotlamps similar to the Lorraines and may be able to supply a lamp and bracket.If you have Brooks Brierley’s book on Pierce Arrow,there is a factory photo of a 1929 Roadster with the Lorraine lamp.The windings would have to be of a design to clear the lamp and their mounting requires drilling.I have an original accessory list for the 1929’s with all prices and do not recall windwings being on the list nor are they in the parts book.The spotlamp on the driver’s side was standard and not an option on these 1929 open cars.

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All the 1929 open cars came with a Lorraine spotlamp on driver’s side.If the car was fitted with windwings,the one on the driver’s side would have to be designed so as to clear the spotlamp.

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Those traffic towers are interesting.There would be an officer in the upper

part and would manually operate the lights.I read where they were taken down around 1928-1929 and replaced with regular traffic lights.As for location,we do know it is not 2nd Ave,3rd Ave,6th Ave,9th Ave because in 1925 those streets had the El’s.It is an interesting photo to study as it looks like everyone is having fun with posing on that summer day of 1925.

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I stand corrected as I can vaguely see what appears to be be a 7th Ave Type F cast iron lamppost and there is bishops crook lamppost above the horse drawn wagon.Fifth Avenue had the pretty cast iron T poles that made it until about 1965.Apparently the traffic towers were on other main streets.One can only imagine what interesting cars were around the city in those days and in the wrecking yards of the outer boroughs.

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Yes,the car is a Series 31 of 1919-1920 as there are no sidelamps like on the earlier cars.The location is Fifth Ave below 42nd St as the street slopes on down to where it levels more towards Washington Square.The car clearly is going downhill.I read where this photo was contrived and mama

cat and her kitten had to pose a second time.I love the photo as I am a New York City kid.You can see the traffic tower in the background as these were before traffic lights as we know them.

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Sometime back I remember seeing an old photo of a circa 1936-1938 PA with bullet headlamps mounted I believe on the side of the grille housing.Whether it was a factory thing or some shop having done it I do not know.Interesting

that 1934-1935 was the last parts catalog.Money was in short supply.

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I believe some of the DuPonts used a similar fenderlamps as did other quality cars in some cases.The Studebakers used cowl lights and the fenderlamps on the 1931 President Eight were different.This connection with Studebaker and Pierce Arrow is interesting to study.I am sure the engineers from both companies shared knowledge but there are alot of differences including sources for components used to build the cars.

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I entered my comments on lamps under the wrong heading.AGA was the maker of the lighting equipment for the 1929 Pierce Arrows.If one looks at any of the Motor’s show issues of this period.There is a table which shows who made the lighting equipment for all of the then new cars.The headlamps on Studebakers of 1929 I believe were supplied by Guide.The reflectors on the 1929 Pierce Arrow fender headlamps prior to when late in the series they changed reflector and lens design, carry the same part number as those in late Series 33 and 36.

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The bracket headlamps on the Norwegian C-3 appear to be possibly English C.A.Vandervell or of French origin.The lamps on the Swedish Series 33 appear to be the factory drum headlamps that I believe were made by Adlake

or AGA.Most post 1931 Pierce Arrows when equipped with bracket headlamps were supplied by a US lamp manufacturer.Pierce Arrows delivered in other markets might be fitted with lamps or reflectors so as to have the lamps

conform to local law and these would be supplied by a European auto lamp

supplier.France required certain reflectors and later yellow bulbs.In more recent times US cars delivered in France and other countries were not allowed to use sealed beams and had to be fitted with Marchal,Cibie or other European Code units just like foreign cars sold in the US had to be equipped with DOT approved headlamps.

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I was driving my C-3 Five Passenger Touring Car one day and had slowed down from going around 45 mph as I was coming up to a congested area.A car pulled out in front of me and I had to stop.The brakes on my C-3 did a great job which surprised me.I think they almost did a better job than those on a rented Ford Torino a few years prior.I once drove a 1914 Ford Model T to almost the summit of Pikes Peak.We both started to get scared of the height about a mile from the summit so turned around.The T’s brakes did work but one must respect this technology.

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Talking speeds on early Pierce Arrows: I was told by a 1914-1915 C-3 owner

that he had taken his car over 70 mph.Alot depends on gearing and condition.

Again one must respect the two wheel brakes.In his case the car had a vacuum booster on the brakes fitted during restoration.

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I would suspect that this Pierce Arrow dealership was a subagency of William

Bush.Pasadena had a large number of Pierce Arrow owners.I am wondering if this might be the agency at which Albert Boosing started his career with Pierce Arrow in 1913.In a phone visit with him in 1990,He mentioned he knew the original owner of my C-3 Five Passenger Touring Car and remembered my car.It would have made sense to have a facility close to your clients.

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Does anybody know when Hamlin started the Pasadena Pierce Arrow store?

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Benjamin,

One could try to contact the historical societies for Pasadena and San Diego and check city directories for the Hamlin Dealership.He was a major Franklin dealer and also apparently did Reo and Pierce Arrow so as to cover all price ranges.

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William Bush was the Pierce Arrow distributor and main dealer for LA

up to about 1928 and there were sub agencies.I own a very original C-3 Pierce Arrow that was a Pasadena car and was delivered new by Bush or possibly a sub agency such as Hamlin at the beginning of 1915.Bush was on South Grand Ave in Los Angeles and now a freeway overpass is at the location.

The nephew of the original owner told me a California dealer delivered my car new.Can you get an address of Hamlin”s dealership?”

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That Franklin would have a wood frame as would all Franklins if I am correct until 1928.Either Pierce Arrow could have been fitted with an electric starter at that time as retrofit units were available.Some would

mount on the front of the car where the crank went.Both Pierce Arrows would leave that Franklin in the dust.The Franklin of that era while a nice car was not in the Pierce Arrow class.I have read accounts of these Pierce Arrows going 500,000 miles and requiring minimal repairs.

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Today I bought two new Echlin Model IC7 coils from my local NAPA store as spares for my 1929 133 Roadster to have on the shelf should I ever need them.These six volt coils have numerous applications and are readily available.

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Oivind,

Does that 1914 C-2 in Norway still exist? About what year was the photo taken?

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Is this the Model B Travelodge that used to be in the Veteran Car Museum

owned by Arthur Rippey in Denver,Colorado? I know some of the history on it if this is that Travelodge.

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Regarding the headlamp reflectors used on the 1929 133-143 automobiles:

The 1929 cars until around October of 1929 used a very deep reflector like the earlier cars with a McKeelite lens.These lamps used a single filament #1129 21cp bulb with a resistance dimming system.The lamps were then changed to a more shallow reflector with a twin filament #1110 21-21cp bulb with a double dip system and a Twolite lens.The reflectors should be silver plated.The reason for this change was to give a more usable low beam light.

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