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Steve,

Consider your self very lucky if you have no trouble with your California DMV office. Our local office does everything they can to make it difficult. I am still chasing a refund of a $500 use tax overcharge. I handed the clerk the check, she gave me the paperwork, I told her it was calculated incorrectly, she said too late, too bad, contact Sacramento. No response from them so far. I have may other Cal. DMV horror stories. Anyway, I am off thread…

Eric,

In California, there is a form called a “Statement of Facts”” where you can explain the situation and why your title is OK. After a VIN verification by DMV or Law Enforcement they will accept it. You might check to see if your state has something similar. -Dave”

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George,

As of Dec 12 he said he had gotten extra rooms so contact him ASAP. His contact info: Email: [email protected] Telephone: (562) 697-2075 cell (562) 665-0381

It would be great to see you and Greg there. He allows cars to 1932.

I am not going to make Tucson, we’ll be in New Zealand.

Dave

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Hi George,

About that AACA meet in Sonora you mentioned. The Nickel Era Registry (HCCA group) is having a tour out of Murphys, a few miles away, the same week. Maybe all of us Pierce_Arrow owners can have a mini meet somewhere in the middle one day that week. Have a Merry Christmas. Dave

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Ken,

His car is listed as a 7 pass sedan. I know that it has been in his family for many years. I don’t know about the handles. Perhaps someone more familiar with Series 80s will join in.

Dave

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Ken, Here is a picture of the robe cord in Peter Williams Series 80, again, taken at the Buffalo meet (I was begging rides from anyone that would have us). I can’t give you any more information on originality etc., but I am sure Peter can. Peter, are you lurking out there?

Dave

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Ed,

I will send you his contact information by e-mail.

Dave

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Ed,

I’ll check with the person that gave me mine. It is good quality and spiral bound. I just want to check that he is still doing copies.

Dave

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I checked some photos I took of the 1928 Series 36 7p Touring at the Gilmore Museum and one shows the robe rail. Definitely different from the one in the EDLs. So now I guess I have to keep my eyes open for an appropriate robe rail for my car. Looking in the Series 36 Data Book, the overhead view line drawings of the 7p sedan show a shape similar to the EDL and don’t show one in the side view. At any rate, the closed cars and open seem to be different.

Dave

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Since Bill mentioned the parts book, I looked it up and it appears that all of the different body styles have different part numbers. If the photo isn’t clear enough for you to read, let me know and I’ll e-mail it to you.

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Ed,

The picture was taken while riding in the back of Diane Gallets 1928 Series 36 EDL during the Buffalo meet. I do not know if it is original or not. Sorry, no measurements. My Series 36 is a 7 p Touring and does not have a robe rail. Hope this helps. Dave

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The car is currently listed on the Auto Collections website out of Las Vegas.

http://autocollections.com/index.cfm?id=1428&action=details&tab=inventory&cartable=&sortorder=car,year&sr=71

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That week works for us.

Dave

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Here’s the best I could do for an overall picture of the group. The cars were parked close together and there were lots of people looking at them. I did get a few decent shots. I was lucky to get a clear shot of the Duesie.

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While driving from the ACD Museum in Auburn to South Bend, we noticed some old cars in a restaurant parking lot and stopped to take a look. When was the last time you saw a Duesenberg parked in the parking lot of a local restaurant? There were also about 40 Cords and Auburns. They were on the Hoosier Tour, part of the next weekend’s ACD Festival. A great end for a great week.

Dave

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Thanks Dave, Diana and crew for a great time. We enjoyed visiting with old friends and meeting some new ones, not to mention looking at and driving some great cars.

We took a few extra days after the meet to explore the area since neither if us had been in this part of the country. (See next post)

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Peter,

My 1928 Series 36 has a period bulb type mechanical gauge (also a Boyce Motometer)mounted to the left side of the steering column. The bulb is mounted into a hole on the thermostat housing. I am not familiar with the Series 80 so I don’t know if that would be an option.

My assumption is that this gauge was installed to allow the use of the optional archer.

Dave

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I just checked and it works fine on my smart phone.

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George, thanks for the clarification. The car was a sports car, not yet 25 years old. The seller paid the fines, so it was his issue. The DMV rep I talked to said ALL cars. I had not heard about the 25 year exemption. Just proves what you said about doing your research before going to the office.

I sold a number of old vehicles for the widow of a good friend. I quickly learned to research DMV online, print the applicable rules and then “educate” the rep at the counter. It usually ended up with a request to talk to a supervisor. The biggest hassle I ran into was with a CA registered vehicle that DMV had dropped from their system. As far as they are concerned, the vehicle no longer exists. A real nightmare.

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To add to what George said about California “use” tax, it is possible to avoid paying it (temporarily) if the vehicle is not going to be registered for the road in California at the time of ownership transfer, and is put on a non-op status. It will become due when the vehicle is registered for the road, if and when that happens later. If the vehicle is going to be laid up for restoration, or will only be on display, you can postpone this outlay until the vehicle is driven/parked on (touches) a public road.

Also, with voter approval, the add on sales/use taxes are added by the state counties, cities etc, usually for a set period of time. They change from year to year depending on how long they are approved for, so you can time registering for the road at a time that an add on sales/use tax has expired and you might save a percent or so.

One important thing to remember in California, if you are not going to register a vehicle for the road either initially or through not renewing, it MUST be put on a Non Operation status. The seller of a vehicle I purchased let the registration lapse with no non op for 7 years and owed DMV $4500 in fines.

I am not sure if auction companies collect the sales/use tax up front as dealers do. George, did the auction company charge you sales/use tax on the trailer?

Dave

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