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I did an eBay search for Pierce-Arrow tie tac. I’ll get the info when I get to a computer.

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I forgot to ask, what type of Series 36 do you have?

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Archer that came with my car. Both caps came with the car when I bought it. No reason to believe they are not original, although the car was restored in the 1980’s so they might not be. I have seen photos of other 28’s with the flat cap.

Dave

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Ed,

Attached is a photo of one of the caps that came with my car, a 1928 Series 36 7p touring. The other is an Archer cap. 1928 was the first year the Archer was available as an option. See following post. Sorry, I don’t know of any available caps or whether later or earlier years will fit. I am out of town, when I get back I can take some better photos if you need them.

Also, I just purchased a miniature tie tac of the 28 Radiator Emblem off of EBAY. The seller had a second one. About $20.

Dave

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I upgraded my laptop from Windows 8.1 to 10 with no problems and for me it is a vast improvement over Windows 8. I am using Firefox rather Windows Edge. I tried Edge and when I couldn’t figure out how to get the favorites to show on the left side I gave up on it. The PAS login window pops up with the info already there (as it did in Win 7 and so login is easy.

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When I purchased my 1928 Series 36 Touring, it came with a 20′ enclosed trailer. It towed home fine (250 miles, 95 degree weather, mountain roads) with no problems. When I got home, I stopped at the local scales and weighed the trailer with the car inside along with the winch and battery, jack, and very few tools inside and it weighed 9300 lbs, 8000 on the axles and 1300 on the tongue I checked the GVW tag on trailer and discovered it was a 7000 lb GVW trailer. I was lucky I didn’t have any problems. At any rate I am looking for a new trailer and the information provided here has helped me greatly. Right now I am thinking a 22 or 24′, 12000lb GVW trailer. I am towing with a 2015 Ford F-350 4×4 Long Bed Diesel. I don’t hardly know the trailer is back there.

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Yesterday we went by the old factory, and ran into some other PAS members, to look around. We ran into a gentleman that has a video studio inside the office building and he let us wander a portion of the building. He said it is all chopped up and that we would only be able to access the area where his studio is. White painted concrete block inside, very stark. The photo is of the stairway after entering the building.

We also walked around the factory grounds. It is starting to fall into disrepair. Unfortunate.

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We are staying a few extra days in Buffalo. This morning we went by the 1930’s P-A showroom, now a First Niagara Bank. The outside is covered with scaffolding while they are repairing the tower so it is hard to see the exterior. We talked to the security guard inside about taking photos and got a guided tour of the showroom, still with its 1930’s era fixtures and floor, along with the 1932 P-A 7 passenger sedan in the showroom window. It is nice that the bank is preserving the building.

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A photo of the PAS dinner at the Buffalo Transportation Museum next to the Frank Lloyd Wright designed service station.

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Lest anyone worry too much about Peter’s well being after those steep hills, this photo was taken at lunch Thursday…..

Peter, thanks again for the ride Wedbesday. We had a great time.

Also, Kevin and crew did a great job all week.

Dave White

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Good luck! Looking forward to seeing you and the car in Buffalo.

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Hi John,

Welcome to the PAS. Getting the word out in the group (as you have just done) is probably the best way to find a good car. I found mine, a 1928 Series 36, through PAS last year in the Sacramento area. You might also hook up with the Northern Cal PAS region people. Check the regions tab on the PAS website.

Another option is Hemmings Motor News (Hemmings.com) Know what you are getting before purchasing. Do a thorough pre-buy inspection and talk to some of the experts in this group before putting down any money. Be very careful of auctions and dealers.

I am in Arcata, CA, 300 miles north of you, but grew up in San Mateo, so I know the area.

Good luck on your search!

Dave

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Jennifer,

A great looking car and a very interesting story. I would love to hear the details of how you tracked down the original owner’s name in Pennsylvania because my car (a 1928 Series 36 Touring) reportedly was sold new in New York or Pennsylvania. It came from New York to California around 15 years ago. I am trying to find any documentation of the original owner of my car.

A prior owner put together an ownership chain, but there is no documentation of the original owner, supposedly actor Al Jolson. The story is that for some unknown reason the second owner did not want anyone to know that the car had belonged to Jolson and refused to provide any confirmation or documentation of this to the third owner. The car is known in PAS and several members have told me that Jolson was reportedly the first owner, however I haven’t been able to confirm this. I will be at the Buffalo meet, so I am looking forward to hearing your story.

Thanks,

Dave

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The Shell.

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Sean,

My 1928 Series 36 looks similar to the one you have including the swivel outlet at the bottom. The shell also looks similar although being a 28 mine has the badge on the front. My radiator is a Fedders, it appears yours is a Harrison. I’ll try to attach a couple of pictures.

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Ed,

Try changing your e-mail account password. It stopped all of the spam that went out with my name on it from my Yahoo account. It has happened to me twice so far.

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Scott one other thing I forgot. You mention concern about long periods of non-use. There is an additive product called “ASL Camguard”” that is specifically designed for this. I am familiar with the aircraft version for piston aircraft engines. Most aircraft mechanics are very skeptical of oil additives. Camguard has been fairly widely accepted and has not caused any problems that I have heard of. I use it in my small plane. They make an automotive version.

Dave”

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Scott,

I recently bought a 1928 Series 36 and wondered the same thing about what oil to use. I definitely am not an authority on this, but what I found through much web research is that the big controversy right now is the level of ZDDP (zinc/phosphorus) needed in oil for older engines.

The bottom line that I found is that there is much disagreement over whether modern oils are bad for older engines, specifically cam and lifter wear in flat tappet engines. Most seem to agree that in a freshly rebuilt engine, use an oil with around 1200 ppm of ZDDP for break in. Most newer “Starburst” oils are currently around 600-800ppm. Most also agree that levels of ZDDP above about 1500 ppm can harm an engine. Before the 1950’s the level of ZDDP was less than 800ppm, so our older cars ran on low ZDDP oil when new.

After reading a lot of the arguments, I am OK with modern oils in my car. The previous owner was using a modern NAPA 10-40 oil with no apparent problems. Additionally, the dual valve 6 in my car has roller tappets so the ZDDP level is not an issue.

Do a web search for “Bob Olree” (a GM engineer) and you will get a paper he did on modern oil myths. “ZDDP in oil” will get you all of the various forums and articles on whether or not modern oil is harmful in old cars. It seems that those that sell additives or specialty oils say you have to have high ZDDP. Those that sell modern oils say you don’t need higher levels of ZDDP.

There are high ZDDP specialty oils available as well as ZDDP additives if you feel uncomfortable with modern “standard” oils.

I hope this helps you. I recommend you do some research and make your own decision. I also would love to hear from other PAS members that have looked into this issue.

Dave

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Ed,

Thanks for the welcome. I think I joined PAS around 1993 (if I read the roster correctly)and have been looking for the right P-A since, so ownership has been a long time coming. On Memorial Day, we gave rides to neighbors, friends and kids and had a great time with the car.

The next few PAS meets are on the east coast so I doubt we’ll drive the car that far, but should get it to the next west coast meet. I have been really impressed with the hospitality of the PAS members I have met and spoken to. A great group to be a part of. Dave

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We dealt with a good friend of Walt’s while looking at and purchasing the car. He filled Walt in on who was buying the car and Walt approved the sale to us, so I believe Walt knew we were first time P-A owners. We did not have the opportunity to meet or talk to Walt because of his illness. When we picked the car up yesterday, we did talk to Kathryn (initially not knowing Walt had passed the day before) about their adventures with the car, and what history she knew. Great people.

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