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The real message is, get it fixed before you drive it again…look at what happened to this Auburn with the same problem…
I know you fly in your Pierce’s, Ed. You’re just like a friend of mine who has a little collection of cars, he drives on a LOT of AACA tours, and has a small restoration shop in Pennsylvania take care of his cars. The owner of the restoration shop, last year at Hershey, asked me how good a friend I was of the fellow, and I said we’re very close. The fellow then asked me “please, get Marty to lighten up on the accelerator pedal, he breaks them and I have to fix”….
Yes, some motorcycle engines were put in planes, as well as Ford engines..the Pietenpol was the infamous Model A engine powered plane..
Here is a discussion of the Kouri car, and if you scroll down the responses you’ll come to a set of pictures, and information and comments by the owner of the car (at least in 2014, still in that collection?)
Through the plastic it sure looks like the fitting for the bottom end of the steering column….and in the picture with it hanging off the side of the frame, it seems to be in the right location for that….
Thanks Greg….I never re-installed the tool pouches after the last restoration of my phaeton, so will plan to put it on the panel as shown in pictures….
A picture would help. There’s a large “coupling” that goes to the bottom of the steering column, but other than that I’m not aware of a large coupling going to the dash…..
Rick, let me know what tools you need, I have a container of over a hundred Pierce script tools, with some duplicates….
I guess it is hard to explain. My tool pouches were in the door with the pouches facing the inside of the car, thus mounted to the driver door itself, not the flat door that opens. These are mounted with the pouches facing to the OUTSIDE of the car, on the flat door. There was nothing on my flat door (the one that hinges down and has the key lock)other than a single covering.
Interesting. thanks!
Interesting, because the tool pockets on my car were located not on the drop down door, but on the inside of the main door, the drop down door was plain….I know Bob did a lot of research to make sure his car is correct, but can someone verify where the tool pockets should be?
Here’s what the door tool pockets look like. This is a “new” one, and was patterned from an original. It mounts inside the door skin, and then there’s an internal bottom-hinged access door (driver door). There are pockets for nine tools, plus two small pockets at the top (an air pressure gauge, for example, would fit in one of those pockets). The one in the picture hasn’t been installed, so the pockets aren’t as deep as shown, they’ve just been made over sized so that they could then be fit to the door. Original material for this would have been an oil cloth.
If you have an original door panel, then I can’t help you any further, sorry…there may be someone with a photo of an original tool arrangement in the door, but I’ve never seen one…
I have a sewn door panel for the tools laying around somewhere, copied from an original..out of my ’31 phaeton…let me see if I can find it, to give you dimensions. Tools would have been the standard stuff, hammer, screwdriver, pliers, wrenches…I think there’s an article (in the archives?) that shows what tools go to which car.
OK, so with information from a member (Thanks!), I believe the below is correct. I’m sure there are people in the club who know this by heart, but I’m not one of them and am just curious to get them straight.
Serial 2575018, engine 360007, was a Blackhawk car that now lives in San Francisco museum, PAS member. This is the car that was once owned by Harrah.
Serial 2575029, Engine 360005, is car referenced in above auction, ex both Cameron Peck and Henry Austin Clark
The remaining show car Silver Arrow is apparently engine number 360001. I believe this is the car that I’d heard about, that came out of Texas in the 40’s or 50’s, and was owned by Don Williams at some point.
Car with engine number 360002 was the Stieff car, and as noted was verified as destroyed.
That leaves one car “unaccounted” for, although there’s a record of it of course.
OK, so just curious where the Silver Arrow’s live (show cars, not production).
Serial 2575018, engine 360007, was the Blackhawk car that I believe now lives in San Francisco museum, PAS member
Serial 2575029, Engine 360005, is car referenced in above auction, ex both Cameron Peck and Henry Austin Clark, was this the one privately owned in the north east and was at a PAS show in Mass a few years back?
What are numbers on third surviving car, and where is it?
Which of these is the Harrah’s car?
For some reason I thought there were rumors of a fourth car existing, at one time long ago (1980’s) I’d heard of one in Houston, Texas, and even seen a picture of it in front of a jewelry store.
Looks like a great project, and at 42K or so, lesser cars have sold for more….here’s a link that worked better for me….
I believe you’re correct, Greg, I looked at the one picture showing the front seats and thought someone had redone them in a smooth pattern, but in other pictures it just looks like smooth fabric laid over the seats. Could be a nice car, closed cars seem to have risen in value over the years.
As far as the open system, I think you’d get some surface rust, but don’t think it would go very far along. I’d be more worried about a mouse nest inside the engine!
Speaking as one who does upholstery work as a hobby, I apologize to the world for whoever (whomever?) did that upholstery job….
Merlin needs another Model 43!!
I’ve never looked at the economics of diesels, and I know that they are considered better tow vehicles. I like gas, as mentioned, for personal reasons…less noisy, not smelly, and so forth.
Here’s an interesting study of total cost of ownership for diesel vehicles, including pickups. A few years old, so would need to be adjusted for current pricing of vehicles and gas, but the interesting point is that MOST vehicles are more economical overall in diesel, but the two exceptions show are Dodge Ram pickups (with comparable cost of ownership gas to diesel) and gas being MORE economical overall for the Ford F-series trucks!
http://www.dieselforum.org/files/dmfile/20130311_CD_UMTRITCOFinalReport_dd2017.pdf
The whole CDL question is widely discussed on the Internet. As long as it’s for personal use, you receive no money for hauling a car nor bringing it somewhere to use for money (i.e. a movie role), and have “not for hire” prominently displayed, you’re OK with your regular license in most states. If you get stopped and are hauling someone else’s car, or if they can prove you’re making money with it, or if the Trooper just doesn’t understand the laws, you may get a ticket.
I agree that the tires are the weak point on any trailer.
That trailer looks great, Ed, assume you have a CDL license to use it? If I read the regulations correctly, combined rated weights of trailer and truck combined over 26,001 pounds requires a CDL.
I have an older 24 foot Haulmark enclosed trailer, 10,000 pound, and it has no trouble holding my ’31 phaeton with room to spare. The phaeton is around 4800 pounds I believe, so you’re not over loading the trailer. I agree the 12,000 pound trailer might be better with 16 inch wheels, the 15 inch on my trailer are fine, but you have to keep on top of inflation, wear, and age of the tires, or you will have blow outs. I carry one of those small ramps in the trailer, so changing a tire is very simple with no jacking required, but it’s still no fun to look in the mirror and see pieces of tire flying around.
You want a trailer with a ramp door, and access door on the middle driver side of the trailer for easy in/out from the car. Marine deep cycle battery, winch, and electric tongue jack sure make life easier.
I worked on some early cars owned by a new car dealer, and he had taken some of the brackets used for tying down new cars to transport rigs, and modified them to fit his ’37 Cord, Packard Darrin, and others. It made tying his cars down in a trailer a snap. Guess you might lose a point at judging if someone noticed them.
As far as tow vehicle, I like the 2006 and back 3/4 ton Suburban with the 454 gas engine, as that was the last year it was offered. I know a lot of people like diesels, I just don’t, for personal reasons, as they do tow well and get better gas mileage. I have a 2001 3/4 ton Suburban that I found 3 years ago with 36,000 miles, 454 and all the goodies on it, bought for a fraction of what new Suburbans are going for, and better for towing. I had salesmen telling me the new engines were “engineered” such that they pull like the older 454, even went and hooked my loaded trailer to one to test, the pull is just not there. You need torque, which the diesel or the older bigger engine gives…..
