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Jak, perfect reply by you, and I agree that driving them is the goal…although will admit I have too few miles behind me in an old car during the past few years…but retired now, and doing trim work as a hobby, so hopefully will view over the bonnet much more often in the coming years!!

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Pardon me, I mis-typed, and meant ball bearings. I also stand by my statements, what we see as “failure” is on cars that have many more than 20,000 miles on them, and the parts have never been replaced, thus the damage. Period literature states the design is for 20,000 mile life on a car.

I agree that modern pin/bushing arrangements are more durable, but the original design is not at fault if used within stated limits.

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Well, I’m not sure it’s fair to criticize the engineers with such force.

We are quick to assume faulty engineering, when something doesn’t make obvious sense, or newer things have been developed that seem to be better than the original.

Fafnir designed roller bearings specifically for spring shackles, and they were used on both Pierce and Studebaker cars, and available to convert other makes to the system. Literature of the time states that the bearings were good for at least 20,000 miles, which was a lot of driving in the 30’s. Viewed from out “100,000 miles on a spark plug” mentality, it would seem that’s a flaw in engineering, but I’d disagree. It was an engineering decision based on design and calculation of the time in which it was produced, and used as a selling point for many a car….

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Repeating what others have said, but it bears repeating. You and Diana have given much to the PAS, and it is greatly appreciated. David C.

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I would bet he’s looking for the complete mat, which was standard issue on open car. Rubber ribbed mat, Pierce logo in the center, with a backing, and covering the entire front floor.

Mine is original but brittle and cracking, I’d like to have a new one and save the old.

At this point no that that I’m aware of is reproducing. If someone has a procedure for molding a mat of this size I’d like to know it….

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Hyman has been advertising for one, but a couple of good deals have come and gone since he started advertising, so it’s a mystery…..

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Thanks Ed, appreciate the lead…..

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Front of pedal car….

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Congratulations Fay. I still remember how nice you were to my young son at the Mass. meet, even bought one of his Pierce car sketches from him! You deserve this….

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In the case of my 1931 Pierce Model 43 phaeton, I have a picture of me standing next to the car at a show, drooling, in 1965…I was 14 years old and the car belonged to a gentleman from New Orleans.

I became good friends with him over the years, through shows and tours in Louisiana. In 1985, I was trying to by a 1929 Cadillac roadster from his best friend, Buddy Walton. We were on a tour at Avery Island (home of Tabasco sauce), and I was discussing the roadster with Buddy. “David”, he said, “you don’t want the Cadillac, you want Drew’s Pierce”. Well, sure but it’s not for sale. “Walk over to him now, and ask him, he’ll sell you the car”.

Five minutes later I’d made a deal for the car I’d admired for twenty years. Drew wanted me to own it, as he knew how much I liked Pierce Arrows (I had four at the time he sold me the phaeton).

That’s why I won’t sell it. And, I can tell you that I’ve turned down a very generous offer for the car, and when I told the prospective buyer “no”, the comment was “Wow, you REALLY don’t want to sell it, do you?”

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Low pressure 6 volt pumps are available from Mac’s Model T parts. I bought one to try on my Pierce, haven’t installed yet.

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Hate to miss it, y’all have fun!!

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I have a 1931 which is similar, but not identical, to the 29 engine. You’re welcome to look at it if you’re in the Winchester area sometime. David Coco Winchester Va.

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The wasp made a mistake, and saw the arrow of its ways…..

Fun picture for us, kinda rough on the wasp….thanks for posting….

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Myron, I’m for the merger. I don’t think anyone will ever confuse a Pierce Arrow with a Studebaker. While the latter are very nice cars, the exceptional quality of a Pierce will always be foremost in a customer’s mind, and there’ll be no question of either company copying the others product.

This merger should assure the survival of both companies through the 20th Century.

Well played!!

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OK no problem on the name, at least I know it’s sold….and it went to a good home….that car sure had me going for a while, I made a run at it, but it really needed someone with deeper pockets….my dream of a custom bodied Pierce is probably on permanent hold! thanks dc

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here you go, Ed, complete with video!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ml41kNlk34

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below is a list of the times that FDR visited Canada, obviously the first in 1933 would not be applicable, so it had to be one of the other visits…it was probably #2 or #3 in the list below, as those visits list the person of note that he visited….

Franklin D. Roosevelt 29 June – 1 July 1933 Unofficial None This was a private vacation to the Roosevelt family home on New Brunswick’s Campobello Island.[4]

28 July – 31 July 1936 State/unofficial The Baron Tweedsmuir

Governor General of Canada The first three days of the trip were to Campobello Island for a vacation; on 31 July Roosevelt travelled to Quebec City for official duties.[4]

18 August 1938 State Albert Edward Matthews[5]

Lieutenant Governor of Ontario The President, along with Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King, dedicated the Thousand Islands Bridge over the Saint Lawrence River. At the same time, Roosevelt also received an honorary degree from Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario.[4][6]

14 August – 16 August 1939 Unofficial None This was a vacation to Campobello Island and to Sydney, Nova Scotia.[4]

21 August – 23 August 1939 Unofficial None Roosevelt stopped at Halifax, Nova Scotia on his way back to the United States.[4]

17 August – 25 August 1943 Working The Earl of Athlone

Governor General of Canada Roosevelt travelled to Canada to attend the Quebec Conference in Quebec City, Quebec.[4] The conference was also attended by Canadian Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

11–16 September 1944 Working William Lyon Mackenzie King

Prime Minister of Canada Roosevelt returned to Quebec for the second Quebec Conference,[4] attended by the same dignitaries as the year previous.

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yes I do! Let’s talk… [email protected]

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Yes!! Someone in the Society acquired the car, and I think he has a restoration planned to start in 2031.

Anyway, glad to know where the old girl is, and that it has a good home…..

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