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The inset dash. The cowl vent is plate glass. Notice the vents in the sides. It was commissioned to a CEO of a trucking company in southern California. An especially thick radiator, slightly different for PA for extra cooling in southern California.

There are mixed reviews as to whether the car was born with the FR Wood body or was added later. Its pedigree only goes back to 1960 and it has been together at this time.

Personally, I love the car, whatever it is.

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Looks like it might be difficult to remove the transmission, Scott. I like your idea of scooping, vacuuming and rinsing with kerosene. Thin oil. Drive a while and drain. Repeat. Thank you again for your sage advice.

I think that my Pierce was owned by David Greenlee. I bought it from Jeff Chattin here in Georgia. He bought it at Hershey in Sotheby Auction. Seemed to be a good price. The engine has been redone, aluminum pistons. Also wheel bearings and brakes, new leather cone clutch, some other things. It runs and drives beautifully.

I would love to have copies of any pictures and anything regarding the 48-B. A PA authority thinks that it is really a 5p since the rear seat is quite more narrow than the usual. The rear fenders are much wider. As you know it has an FR Wood & Son body.

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Scott, thank you for your kind and thoughtful remarks. The background is that this blue lube is less than ten years old as the car has been completely disassembled and restored. Engine, trans, chassis. The original restorer was Wolfgang Gawor who was one of the top Thomas Flyers in the world.

However, the car was completed by a restoration shop after he passed. The workmanship is superb on the rest of the car. But the blue grease is a mystery and who knows put this grease into the trans!

Perhaps my best choice is to disassemble the trans and clean the blue gorp and fill it with GL-4 or steam oil. You have an excellent point about the bearings being well lubricated properly. Too thick and too thin would cause problems.

Transmissions of different years may have different qualifications. I suppose my 1916 Pierce might have different grease though 600w seems an all around lube.

I agree that the GL-4 would be a good candidate as GL-5 could be disastrous.

Do you have a suggestion about my best and simplest to remove the blue?

I again appreciate everyone’s suggestions. I mention that I do have a 1916 Pierce 48B 7 passenger car. The accumulated knowledge of this group is superb. Though some of the fine members my Pierce is running very well.!

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Thank you for your kind reply. Here is a picture in the transmission top. I could only lift the cover a small amount but shows the grease.

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I have also used EvapoRust for parts and cleaning of parts. I reuse it and it lasts a while. Never thought about de-rusting inside engines/radiators.

Just ordered a five-gallon bucket from Amazon for $79 including free shipping with Prime. Thanks, Ed Minnie.

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Al, where can we find the “The HCCA article is very good to give some clarity on this subject.””??

I have searched and can’t find it. Perhaps I am missing it in the tech articles? ber”

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Perseverance is the hallmark of a successful life. No whiners need not apply!

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The Car is paid for and ready to ship. However, needs an Export License from UK Council of Arts. Any car over 50 years old and over 41,000GPB.

Pro: free

Con: takes five days and the UK Arts Council, because do not have email. A hard copy must be mailed to the auction house and then filled out by the seller and then mailed back to the UK Arts Council, then the five days begin. Then the hard copy is mailed to the shipper.

Kafka-esque!

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In online bidding in a UK Auction it is super important that you check out the fine print, and any link that has “additional fees.”

Especially when bidding online and using a service “Saleroom.com”. They will add an additional fee beyond the auction house’s “buyer premium.” Just in the case of my bidding, using the Saleroom.com, an additional 3% of the Hammer Price was added to my final amount. In high price auction, the bottom line difference between using a phone with an auctioneer, using the 3% added to the hammer price is a very large amount. My total buyer premium including was over 20% of the hammer price!!!

YOW! READ THE FINE PRINT!

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In online bidding in a UK Auction it is super important that you check out the fine print, and any link that has “additional fees.”

Especially when bidding online and using a service “Saleroom.com”. They will add an additional fee beyond the auction house’s “buyer premium.” Just in the case of my bidding, using the Saleroom.com, an additional 3% of the Hammer Price was added to my final amount. In high price auction, the bottom line difference between using a phone with an auctioneer, using the 3% added to the hammer price is a very large amount. My total buyer premium including was over 20% of the hammer price!!!

YOW! READ THE FINE PRINT!

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EXPORT LICENSE from UK Needs to go through the “UK Arts Council”. IF a car is over 50 years in age, or over 40,000GPB value. Needs an Export License. Country of origin seems unimportant. I had heard that an American car returning to America had preferential treatment, No.

Export License takes about 5 days and this is free service. The Auction house or seller needs to fill out the paperwork. Important that the car needs to have been in the UK less than 50 years.

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I want to thank Ken Muellner for his very good advice about getting Marine Insurance!! Great idea! PAS Family comes through.

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Update: About have the car on a boat.

1.) Hagerty insured the car for usual prices. They DO have a Marine Carrier. $160 total. Covers the car from the Auction House to the Port and then on the ship, 20-foot container and covers the voyage and unloading in USA Port where we pick it up and bring it home.

2.) Check around for prices. I have a 20-foot container from 1495GBP to 4000GBP! Still getting transport from Auction house to the port enclosed transport. Range from 940GBP to 250GBP.

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Yep, 1908 Thomas Flyer 4/60 flyabout.

We name cars after the previous owner. Our 1916 Pierce Arrow is “Jeff.” The Thomas is “Wolfgang.” Yep, from Buffalo. Nine Liter four cylinder. Should be here in a few weeks.

Lotta brass in this car. Reading a great book about the Great Race, “The King of Men.” An incredible narrative about the Race. It is fascinating and spellbinding. Kindle from Amazon .99cents. About all the money I have left after getting the Flyer.

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Here is its brother running from the Indians. It was quite a Great Race!

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Aw Shucks. All negotiations are done. It was just a communications problem. All is well. They added in the VAT and it came out to 22%. I still have to pay the VAT, but it will be refunded to me, later.

Have a guess at what this car is?

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We are working this out. Seems mostly a communication problem. I have an attorney involved and they are responding nicely. They are helping me get the car shipped. Hope to show some pictures of me driving the car.

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The Auction house is being vague. They are stating a very large fee “Buyer Premium, VAT Inclusive.” I am asking for a breakdown. Am a bit fuzzy about the VAT.

It seems that I may need to have to pay something VAT and get a refund later. NOt sure if the Auction house could be thinking about getting the refund themselves later since I am naive about the process.

It also seems that as an American citizen, I may not even be subject to the VAT??

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Ken, thank you for your kind phone conversation. I am still in communication with the Auction house. Will respond to you by email.

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Ken, thank you for your kind phone conversation. I am still in communication with the Auction house. Will respond to you by email.

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