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Bill,

For what car do you want an electric fuel pump?

Peter

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Jim,

You own a very nice Pierce-Arrow.

Keep up the good work.

Remember, it is a process and not an event!

Give yourself a multi-year deadline and you will reach it.

Believe it or not, there will be a time in the future where there is very little to be done, just tinkering.

Peter

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James,

Also note that the dash on my Series 80 has a King-Seeley gasoline gauge (effectively useless in spite of my efforts), a front seat cigar lighter and a second dash light.

The K-S and the cigar lighter were added by my Uncle Joe’s, Uncle Joe, who was the first owner of the car after the PAMCC.

He was a Supervising Foreman at the PAMCC and family lore states that he bought it in 1928 from the President of PAMCC (perhaps a family car?).

I am the third owner of the car.

It has a number of period correct, but not P-A correct pieces, including aftermarket bumpers (Royal Bumper Company of Chicago, Illinois) and a Series 81 intake manifold including the Stromberg O-3 carburetor rather than the Series 80 carb.

It also has a TRICO Visional wiper system (full length across the windshield), cowl lights and both a left and right side set of taillights.

Then, following in the family bling tradition, I added front and rear turn signals created from taillight cans.

It is much more DeLuxe than most DeLuxe sedans.

It is a fancy In-Town Cruiser.

Peter

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James,

On my DeLuxe, the top strip is a one-half-inch piece of bowed mahogany and all of the doors have the same wood finish surrounds.

I believe that your Coach has steel finished in faux woodgrain, correct?

the dash and the top cover are different, as I had someone refinish the top cover but have not gotten around to removing the dash to have it redone.

The top cover is a darker faux woodgrain than the dash or the real mahogany, but oh well, it is not a Pebble Beach car.

Peter

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James,

Another photo.

Peter

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James,

Now your dash top cover makes sense to me. It appears to be one type of faux woodgrain on the bottom, a second in the middle and back to the first on top.

Does your car have a 1-inch strip that runs across the top of that dash cover adjacent to the window frame?

See photos of mine.

Peter

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James,

No offense but your dash seems, err, unusual.

What is surrounding each of your gauge clusters?

My nickel bezels are flush to the dashboard with no surround.

How tall is that piece that sits above the gauges, the one that wraps around from the dash to the bottom of the windshield frame?

I will post pics today.

Peter

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Yo Ed,

The Bernie list shows a one line entry for Calvin Smith of Texas.

There are no comments about the car, no nothing, save for Calvin Smith.

BTW, I trust that you are enjoying yourself while across the pond.

Peter

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Jack,

The car was previous owned by a Calvin E. Smith, 1303 North Avenue, Brownfield, Texas 79316.

There is no indication that Fred Tycher was ever involved with his car (sorry Ed).

I find no other history on the car other than Mr. Smith, but perhaps someone else has better data than do I.

Peter

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Doug,

I would buy a hose that slides easily over the exhaust pipe and also purchase a exhaust pipe clamping U-Bolt to fit over the hose.

Slide the hose on and tighten the clamp and you are ready to rock-and-roll without leaks.

Peter

http://www.mcmaster.com/#exhaust-clamps/=12hq72o

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Doug,

ID or OD?

The hose fits on the outside of the pipe.

Peter

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David,

I agree wholeheartedly about McMaster-Carr.

I just googled for Rubberized Flex Auto Exhaust Hose, and Amazon popped up, so I went with the link to demonstrate what we were suggesting.

For you Gents who are relatively new to re-doing old cars, McMaster-Carr is the place to go fro a ton of stuff.

Thanks for the reminder David,

Peter

http://www.mcmaster.com/#exhaust-hose/=12gzp4b

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Doug,

Check it out, AMAZON PRIME!

Peter

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0053I8MIG/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687722&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B005QP99V0&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SV5XHE062W5A1CH0J9H

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Doug,

I have two 10 to 12-foot lengths of flexible rubber ribbed flex hose that has a steel spring molded into the ribs.

I screwed the one hose into the other and secured it with a big wire tie.

The ID is the OD of my exhaust pipe, plus a tad.

I slide it on to the tail pipe and secure it in place with a exhaust clamp.

I believe that I bought it at an Auto Parts store, as I had seen hundreds of similar setups in repair shops.

I just open the door and run the hose outside about 6 or 8-feet and direct it away from the door (checking the directions of the wind).

It works fine and is relatively inexpensive.

Note, that it does leave a bit of black residue on the tailpipe, but that is easily removed, if you are concerned that a tailpipe has some black crud on it.

Peter

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Brooks,

I prefer the Friday, 13 May 1938 date as it has a definite pall of Forest Lawn to it.

Those other dates lack the Drop Dead quality of a Friday the 13th.

Peter

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Ken,

I have seen Series 80 Coach cars with dashboards painted black rather than faux wood dashes and with the top cover of the dash just cover in upholstery material rather than faux woodgrain (rounded piece of aluminum above the dash / below the windshield), but who knows what was standard.

I have also seen Series 80 Runabouts with the dashboard painted black or other colors, and they were all the “DeLuxe” model.

A few years ago, I removed that rounded piece above the dash to have it refinished.

I found that beneath it was a pristine piece of upholstery material.

By pristine, I mean 90-years of never having seen the sunshine.

It was immaculate and with no apparent degradation.

Again, who knows what was standard and what was altered over the years.

Who knows what were “standard” details on a Pierce-Arrow Series 80 Coach, versus a Series 80 deLuxe, save for what people recently articulated.

Peter

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Randy,

George mentioned the “other things!””

Thank you George.

Peter”

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Randy,

The easies way to distinguish between a Coach and a DeLuxe is as follows.

The Series 80 Coach has faux wood window trim and a squared tailing edge of the rear-most window and top (among other things).

The Series 80 DeLuxe has mahogany window trim and a rounded tailing edge of the rear-most window and top, (among other things).

The attached photo shows my Series 80 DeLuxe 7-passenger sedan.

Note the tailing edge of the rear window and the top.

Peter

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Randy,

About what part of the car do you ask, interior trim pieces, exterior areas?

Are you asking about a Series 80 Coach or a Series 80 DeLuxe?

It makes a difference.

Also, it is not THAT difficult to remove the dash, just tedious work for a bit.

Peter

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David,

That 1045 Delaware address is listed in Bernie’s files, but I see an address of 1035 Delaware for Seymour H. Knox I.

Mr. Knox, I, had a few homes, including one at 57 Oakland Place, Buffalo, 800 Delaware Avenue, Buffalo, Aiken, SC, the summer estate in East Aurora, NY, etc.

The link below will take you to photos of the more palatial homes.

Finally, a number of the great homes in Buffalo were either donated to various churches or torn down.

Peter

http://buffaloah.com/h/knox/tc.html

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