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John I will call this evening if that’s all right.

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It Amuses me how overused the term “barn find”” had become. Along with “”actual miles”” it is headed to the Hall of Fame of automotive terms.”

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Fellows, I think we are discussing two different cars. I certainly agree about the one you are commenting on. The one I meant is 2-tone blue. The auction ended Saturday with no action. Look in “completed listings”” under “”other makes””. It’s in New Jersey.

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Wondered if a Club Member has taken this project on?

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If the piping was insulated or wrapped from new, you should have no problem with insulating it. There are some very good, non-asbestos, insulations available today at reasonable cost.

You are right about not getting the exhaust system hot enough to dry it out. Exhaust contains quite a bit of water vapor, plus some acid. Imagine that for a harsh environment.

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I enjoyed reading this topic today, I offer one suggestion based on my professional experience.

Be careful in insulation of or wrapping exhaust piping on 4-cycle engines. If the piping is not stainless steel, there is a temperature limit beyond which the piping will rapidly deteriorate and turn into large flakes of rust, and 4-cycle engine exhaust is capable of being at or above this limit. It literally burns up. We make exhaust piping for 4-cycle engines from stainless steel as it can withstand operating at higher temperatures as it will when insulated, as it often must be inside the buildings. A good alternative is radiant heat shielding. A piece of aluminum sheeting strategically mounted between the piping and the floor of the car, for example, will provide protection form heat without increasing the operating temperature of the piping.

Again, I enjoy reading all the technical topics as I try to learn enough to deal with the Car I hope to get one day.

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I’m partial to Bedford cord or West of England cloth. I am certainly not an expert on original Pierce-Arrow upholstery materials though.

This Car is a real beauty, though.

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I am planning to swing by Hyman’s in April on the way to the Branson auction, to see this car.

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Great beautiful Car. What colors will the upholstery be?

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I use some purple anaerobic sealer made by Loctite. It’s not silicone in the normal sense, and you don’t gloop it all over everything, but it really helps the gasket to seal.

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It is obvious that auction premium really kicks your boo-hiney. Seems like more cars would change hands privately.

I suppose if you are buying and don’t care what it costs, or if you’re selling and don’t want to go to the trouble of showing it to someone, an auction is the way to go. I have enjoyed every auction I have attended, but because of looking at cars and meeting people, not because I was buying anything.

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Ok, more research revealed this Car’s pretty-much a star.

It was used in: an episode of Remington Steele;

Wonder Woman; The Phantom; The Rocketeer;

Mommie Dearest (I think); Emmannuele IV

and of course The Sting

Stands to reason, as it was owned as you said by Tom Sparks.

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Thanks for the information.

I have learned since posting that this Car was sold at the Bonhams’ sale at Pebble Beach in 2007, lot 489, for $53820 including premium. It had been bought in 1992 out of the Sterling McCall collection in Texas.

It is indeed a Model 845 chassis 2090212, engine 310265

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See Car:

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According to the Internet Movie Cars Database, it’s a 1935 Model 1245 sedan. Dark blue, very classy but carrying some low-class hoodlums in the movie.

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A potential London-Brighton entrant?

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This is a great 6 Volt battery, you will not regret using it.

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In my opinion there are people who are capable of supporting the Cars with parts and service; I see the Club’s role as a focal point for information: knowledge is king. Take all the Factory information which can be found, add to it the experience of so many knowledgeable people who have encountered these problems and made these repairs over the years. Then you have informed Owners who have the information they need to look for problems and keep their Cars safe, and you have steady demand from those people who are interested and capable of providing quality parts and repairs.

I have spent my professional life mostly supporting the operation, maintenance, and repair of obsolete equipment most of which was designed originally in the period from 1940 to the 1960s. It takes some doing but it can be done. A new generation comes along who do not have the Old Knowledge and they have to learn; a good information source makes it so much easier. I really appreciate this Forum and the ones I use for other cars.

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For those interested, John Cislak has some great info and photos on the AACA forum of this box being rebuilt and updated. I ran across it with a random search, Gemmer steering box Cord l-29. It looks like from his photos and description that is the Pierce-Arrow way to go.

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