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Greg, the interior is partially wrong in the car. The doors appear to have the correct pattern, but the seats should not be pleated. The Model 43 phaeton had smooth seats, with a center piping on the rear seat backrest and cushion. The second from rear top bow appears to be slightly elevated, which can only happen if the rear bow is too far forward. I don’t see a pure side shot with the top up, to see rear bow position, the rear curtain should be very close to vertical. The trunk on the car is incorrect, from what I understand, although I guess those are aftermarket. I’ve been told the all metal trunk on mine is correct for that model Pierce, and if I remember Bob Dluhy has the same trunk on his 43 phaeton as mine. The engine in this model is the only Pierce 8 with a timing gear, not chain, is what I’ve been told, wonder if the noise could be that, perhaps worn gears? As you say, hard to diagnose long distance.

I met my Pierce in 1965, was able to buy it in 1984, and have enjoyed it ever since….classic lines in a great looking and driving car…go for it!!

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Thanks for update, still looks like a nice car! Sure do like mine!

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Karl and Ralph, those are two good explanations for the low price. Unfortunately, shill bidding is legal for most auctions, as one guy said, he got tired of bidding against the Coke machine in the corner of the room. The 1913 “feels” right, and as Anthony so well explains, think it was well worth the money, although surely out of my ballpark (I’m still in a sandlot and these guys are in Wrigley Field)…

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I would agree that the 1919 appears to have sold under market, unless, as David alludes to, there’s a back story to the car that devalues it. Even if, for example, the car had been chopped up and the body was all new, it still is a beautiful car and seemingly well worth the money.

The 1913 is a very pretty car, and what a tour car for early events, and for an older restoration that money seems right, though I’m no expert on values by any means.

Hope the new owners either are in, or join, the PAS!

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Ideally, engine temperature should be 180 to 190, but on a summer day 195 to 200 wouldn’t be a major cause for concern. Radiator temperature should be around that on inlet tank, and obviously lower on discharge from radiator. The temperature differential is dependent on ambient temperature, condition of radiator, and other factors.

An exhaust manifold can be anywhere from 400 to 900 degrees, depending on load, rpm, speed, ambient air, and so forth.

I’m no expert, but this is my experience.

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That’s a neat story, Ed! Or, at least I assume it was neat…..

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As a follow up, I now see that the Model B phaeton I first asked about is for sale by Hyman, for somewhat more than paid at auction.

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When I restored my second Pierce, a ’35 coupe, I sent the engine ( to Lester’s shop in Florida. He’d done a ’34 for me and I was really pleased. I remember the conversation on the second engine, he asked me what I was going to do with the car, light tours and shows, or drive across country, because he could rebuild to either task. This was in the 1980’s, and I remember the pricing was $500 “per hole” for general use, $1500 per hole for cross country touring, which included a lot of modernizing inside the engine! I opted for the local option, and the engine was excellent….

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Here’s the correct link, interesting reading.

Seems the 1930 phaeton came out of Tom Lester’s collection.

After further research, found that many of these cars, including this and two other Pierce Arrow’s. were sold at Hershey Sotheby’s auction last year.

http://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2421962/richard-roy-collection.txt

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Oh my, that’s one handsome car. Is it moving to the US?

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Note that the bottom row is called “Hot Rod Cloth”!! I don’t know, though, that purple might look good on my phaeton!

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Yes they do….

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No, more like “Hey, double the estimate”…I won’t tell the whole story, but I had a chrome guy give me a verbal price on a number of pieces, then as he was writing it up 5 minutes later the price went up $200 on one of them….his wife happened to be sitting at a desk next to the laid out parts, he asked her what he had said, and she admitted to the lower price….nice to have a witness!!

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Wow…I was dubious when you said leather, but that looks great and like the real thing! That’s some fine stitching, both quality and stitch length…

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I would think you could take a tan Haartz cloth and put some dye color to it. Again, if you’re looking to do this, ask the question of Eric, he’s very helpful to old car guys, and he can tell you what’s possible.

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If you’re talking the possibility of dyeing Haartz cloth, you need to be asking Eric Haartz the question. If you email me I’ll give you his direct email address.

I have to tell you, Richard, that this is a very unusual request. It makes it sound like you’re doing something wild with that ’29 that may please you (which is fine), but make a lot of other people comment negatively.

I know, I know, it’s your car and you can do what you want, but if you show up with a yellow car and yellow top, or some other circus look, expect criticism.

As far as period correct, there were black and light and dark tan tops available, with a variety of linings (black, tan, whipcord, etc.). There were also a few colors available, although not many. I have some original topping samples from the 20’s, from L.C. Chase and Company, and of the 30+ samples, one is a dark red, one is a dark green, one a tan, and ALL the rest are black. They do have, however, a lot of different color backings.

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Yes, if that had happened the step-down would have been a definite step-up! (Just kidding, Hudson folks, I know from my short stint as a member of the Hudson club that step-downs are prized, I have a 1910 Hudson project that I’ve had for sale so joined for a year).

It’s fun thinking about what-ifs, and, looking back, it sure seems that there should have been some way to keep that factory busy in 1938.

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It’s interesting looking through Pierce ads that a lot of them utilized cars in front of large gates or doors or arches. There must be some psychological reason for that, large gates mean high society?

Figured your picture was distorted by close camera, it’s very colorful, just can’t seem to find an ad to attach it to!

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I can’t find that particular picture in an ad, if it wasn’t an ad it sure looks like a rendering that would have been considered for one. Note the similarity in coloring and style to the attached ad. Is it signed?

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Beautiful wheel….I wouldn’t even want to know the cost, wow….they need blackwall tires though!

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