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James,
The different models had different stock colors available.
Also, the Coach had different colors available than those offered in the DeLuxe models.
Note the following pics.
Peter
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Tom,
I spoke with Wayne Hancock this morning about installing the gasket under the windshield of his Series 80 Runabout.
He said it was a a complicated matter and suggested that you could telephone him if you wish to discuss the installation.
Peter
Note that none of these colors are conservative, but rather directed at creating FUN automobile.
It is a Runabout that was directed at being purchased FOR one’s wife, girlfriend, or BOTH (different colors please, no confusion)!
Tom,
Not to cut off James, but the colors were Brilliant Black with striping of Grosbeak Vermilion (like the Hancock car), Cruiser Gray, Desert Sand, Ambato Green, Sport Blue Light and Marne Blue.
Peter
I don’t find S/N: 2503120 on the current Roster, or on Bernie’s list of older members / cars.
They sold to me years ago, so maybe they changed the other way more recently.
Hello Gents,
Of the two Silver-Arrow cars in the collection of the Academy of Art University Automobile Museum, one is an “original” Silver Arrow (1933 Silver Arrow, ex- Harrah, #: 2575018 / 360007), while the other is a “production” Silver Arrow (1935, Silver Arrow 12, Coupe’ ex – Harris Laskey, 405002).
This information comes from Paul Borgwardt, Curator of the Museum.
The 360007 car is shown as having the following owners: Richie Clyne, Imperial Palace, Tom Derro, Harrah’s & Paul Schnabel.
The 360001 car is shown as having the following owners: Don Williams, Dr. Don Vesley, Jim Brucker, “various”, F. Robert Greene, D. L. D’Oyley & M. C. Hudson.
The 360005 Car is last listed as having the following owners: Blackhawk Collection, Henry Austin Clark & D. Cameron Peck.
The 360002 car is listed as most recently owned by John Grimage.
There is no listing for the 360004 car and that may be the Dr. Edward C. Worden car for which there is neither a body code # nor an engine code #.
George Teebay tells me that the list from which I work was last updated in 2005, so it is out of date on current owners.
PHEW!
Peter
Bob,
I purchased a chain for my Series 80 from Ramsey Products and I had it in just a few days after i ordered it.
They said that they made them “originally.”
I DK if they make, or have the gears in stock.
It is worth a call.
Good luck.
Peter
Hello Gents,
I just sent an email to The Academy of Art University Automobile Museum that David Coco mention in a separate message Board listing.
I asked for serial numbers of the two (2) cars that they have in their collection (one deep red the other silver and black).
Perhaps, this will help.
Peter
David,
Your notes are correct.
The 2575029 car is the car that is currently being auctioned.
I appreciate Brooks’ frustration and it would be good if there were better historical notes.
I have nothing that mentions the Mexico /SOCONY car.
Cheers,
Peter
Jim,
There we go, it works now, thanks Bill.
That is a nice posting and a cool video.
Peter
Jim,
Perhaps it is my computer, but you link does not work for me.
Also, cutting and pasting the link does not work if I go straight ti Youtube.
Peter
Hello Ed,
Yes, I know norman, but his telephone number is not in the Roster,.
However his brother Paul lives in NYC and his number is 212-929-1550.
Best of luck hunting down Norman.
BTW, Norman always had nice P-A cars.
Best regards,
Peter
Good afternoon Gentlemen,
In response to this thread, I visited my 1925 Series 80, 7-Passenger DeLuxe Sedan and while standing on the running boards I opened each of the four doors.
Lo and behold, on the flat top of each door, was the Code: H 238.
The “H” appeared to be scribed and the 238 was stamped / pressed.
Just more fodder for the discussion.
There are no stamped plates on my Series 80 car as shown in Edward Leichliter’s photo.
Perhaps the HH & KK codes on the doors refer to wood shop part numbers designating the car for which the wooden door part was created.
It would be interesting to see if such codes exist on other enclosed cars in the 1920s era.
BTW, Ed, where does your HH stamped piece reside on your car? Is it on the doors or engine bay or where?
Cheers,
Peter
Ed,
Bernie’s list shows two (2) 1928 HH Code cars (HH-270/271 & HH-226?), one being and 36-EDL and the other a 36-7-Passenger Sedan. On one of these cars the numbers are stamped on the TOP of the doors – 270 on the left doors and 271 on the right doors.
He also shows two (2) 1927 KK-numbered cars and four (4) 1928 KK-numbered cars, all of which are 36-EDL cars.
Perhaps, there are others, but they are just not reported, as with yours Ed.
It is time to start checking the tops of doors!
I will do that later today.
Peter
Online research reveals that there was trade magazine hubbub from 1917 through 1919 about PAMCC manufacturing aircraft engines.
Apparently the PAMCC entered in to an agreement to manufacture Hispano-Suiza aircraft engines.
I assume that all of this was to support the war effort for WWI.
They also used Pierce-Arrow engines in rum-runners (boats) because they were so powerful and quiet.
Brooks,
According to Bernie’s files, the Kouri Roadster was never a Silver Arrow, but apparently a car constructed with one of the seven (7) Silver Arrow serial numbered engines.
I find no listing for a “Stiffel” car but there is a Steiff car – 2575031 / 360002.
There is also no mention of Silver Arrow cars going to or coming from Mexico.
M. C. Hudson, owner of Crazy Water Company, Mineral Wells, Texas is the closest owner that I see to Mexico.
His car was the 360001 engine – no body number listed.
It is a puzzle, eh?
Peter
Again, according to Bernie’s listings, there is a history recorded for engines numbered: 360001, 360002, 360003, 360005, 360006 & 360007.
There is no listing for an engine numbered 360004, but there is reference to a Silver-Arrow without body number and engine number that was purchased by (Dr. Edward C. Worden, a Chemist known for cellulose research. Photo in Brierley book “Auburn, Reo….” shows photo of owner standing with the Silver Arrow in mid-’33. Which car this is, is not known). (Bernie’s comments in parentheses.)
The Dr. Worden car / engine may be the 360004 engine car, but that is a DK.
Bernie also lists that there were five (5) 12-cylinder Silver-Arrow engines and two (2) Experimental engines, but they all have the 360001 through 360007 numbers with 30007 being in a Silver-Arrow.
So, the 360003 (Kouri) and 360006 (Jenkins) engines, although listed as Experimental, appear in the middle to near end of the production of those engines.
The Kouri Roadster is / was owned by a James R. Diefenthal of New Orleans, and pics of the car sure look like it could have been built for a New Orleans guy, as it is a pretty wild ride. It would have garnered a good deal of attention screaming through the bayous of Louisiana.
Also note that all of the other 1933 12-cylinder car engines are either 335XXX or 355XXX.
