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They also used Pierce-Arrow engines in rum-runners (boats) because they were so powerful and quiet.
Brooks,
According to Bernie’s files, the Kouri Roadster was never a Silver Arrow, but apparently a car constructed with one of the seven (7) Silver Arrow serial numbered engines.
I find no listing for a “Stiffel” car but there is a Steiff car – 2575031 / 360002.
There is also no mention of Silver Arrow cars going to or coming from Mexico.
M. C. Hudson, owner of Crazy Water Company, Mineral Wells, Texas is the closest owner that I see to Mexico.
His car was the 360001 engine – no body number listed.
It is a puzzle, eh?
Peter
Again, according to Bernie’s listings, there is a history recorded for engines numbered: 360001, 360002, 360003, 360005, 360006 & 360007.
There is no listing for an engine numbered 360004, but there is reference to a Silver-Arrow without body number and engine number that was purchased by (Dr. Edward C. Worden, a Chemist known for cellulose research. Photo in Brierley book “Auburn, Reo….” shows photo of owner standing with the Silver Arrow in mid-’33. Which car this is, is not known). (Bernie’s comments in parentheses.)
The Dr. Worden car / engine may be the 360004 engine car, but that is a DK.
Bernie also lists that there were five (5) 12-cylinder Silver-Arrow engines and two (2) Experimental engines, but they all have the 360001 through 360007 numbers with 30007 being in a Silver-Arrow.
So, the 360003 (Kouri) and 360006 (Jenkins) engines, although listed as Experimental, appear in the middle to near end of the production of those engines.
The Kouri Roadster is / was owned by a James R. Diefenthal of New Orleans, and pics of the car sure look like it could have been built for a New Orleans guy, as it is a pretty wild ride. It would have garnered a good deal of attention screaming through the bayous of Louisiana.
Also note that all of the other 1933 12-cylinder car engines are either 335XXX or 355XXX.
Bernie’s listings of the Silver Arrow cars shows that the Tom Derro car was engine #360007, with a body #2575018. This car was also owned by Paul Schnabel, Harrah, the Imperial Palace and most recently by Richie Clyne.
Tom Derro may have said that it was the #1 car because that car has the lowest body number (missing on one other S-A) even if the engine number is not the lowest.
The Vesley car was engine# 360001, but the body # is missing from the list.
Regarding the Kouri Roadster (S-A engine #360003), Bernie writes: This car apparently built on a previous model lengthened chassis, using a 1933 engine numbered in the “experimental” series. Enamel plaque on front light bar says “Silver Arrow Custom body by David B. Kouri, Detroit, MI June 18, 1933″
Note parentheses in lines above – all of that is on the enamel plaque.
Engine #360006 was used in the Ab Jenkins Roadster for the 1933 speed record at Bonneville.
Five S-A cars, seven S-A engines.
I hope that this is helpful.
Ed,
That is definitely an “HH.””
Was your P-A constructed by a Coach Builder rather than the PAMCC?
Do you know the history of the vehicle?
Are there other body or engine numbers / markings?
Interesting.
Peter”
Good afternoon Gents,
2001 was before my time in the PAS and on the Board, so I am in the dark on Paul Morris’ reference.
Bob Sands, Tony Z. and I are charged by PAS Pres., Rich Lange to bring suggestions relating to dash plaques to the Winter Board Meeting.
I am sure that there will be interesting discussion on the matter.
I am curious the 2001 rationale for dropping the Weis winner as the featured image on the Annual Meet plaque.
Peter
How about a photo?
Richard,
The simple answer to your question is that the PAMCC had screwy numbering systems all along the production of most models.
Why? DK!
Peter
BTW, 8,300-lbs is about the weight of a BIG Pierce-Arrow car loaded on to a 4,000-lb trailer.
My Series 80 (130-in-wheelbase) 7-passenger DeLuxe Sedan weights in just shy of 4K-lbs, so you guys with the Big Boy Pierce cars (140-in + WB) and SUV tow vehicles need to pay attention to the weight.
You need a Class IV or V hitch, and then check on the towing capacity of your vehicle.
A 2015 Cadillac Escalade is rated to tow 8,300-lbs GTW in its Top Configuration, which seems to be the same as a Yukon / Tahoe / Suburban.
My 2004 Ford F-250 SuperCab, long bed, Diesel is rated at 12,500-lb GTW and the 2015 Ford F-250 in a similar configuration is rated at 14,000-lb GTW.
You are getting a lot of info, eh, Rick!
Tony,
I think that this is quite correct that we should have plaques that reflect the quality of Pierce-Arrow.
Peter
Do what you like and don’t sweat it.
No matter how much you worry about it, the end product will be excellent.
Matching colors across different materials is hugely difficult, and that is why people use contrasting colors rather than matching colors.
Keep it simple and contrast.
Even purple and green are a wonderful combo, given the selected shades of each.
Have fun with it and stop worrying.
George,
Bob Jacobsen is in charge of the 2106 Palo Alto, California, Winter Meet / Board Meeting.
It runs from 25 through 28 February and should include tours to a number of car collections, etc.
I am sure that Bob is working away on the details and will provide them soon.
Peter
Rick,
If the porcelain coating is very expensive, you may wish to consider a process called Jet-Hot Coating (Jet-Hot.com).
I did my exhaust header a few years back and it remains fine.
The cost was reasonable and you can read about the process and outcomes online.
Also, the color offerings are wide, so black will not be a problem.
Just FYI.
Peter
Paul,
Thanks for your continued excellent effort in the creation, evolution and maintenance of our top-shelf website.
Best regards,
Peter
Hey Liz,
Thanks for putting together the dinner.
It was a great gathering.
Peter
Good morning Gents,
I agree with the matter about criticizing P-A cars, etc. on the Message Board.
I also feel that if there is such a transgression in the future, one of our thoughtful PAS members might approach the “offending” individual with a personal email rather than doing to them on the Message Board what they were accused of having done to others.
Personal, 1:1 communication to correct an error or faux pas works better than public condemnation.
I look forward to your comments on my comment.
Cheers,
Peter
A few year back I was threatened with “death by a thousand cuts” if I ever considered putting step plates on my Series 80, 7-Passenger, DeLuxe Sedan.
The Gentleman who made the threat was George Teebay! HA!
I believe that George felt that the cut-off was for teens cars.
But, what do I know!
Just passing on an open threat.
Jim,
Also regarding the sill plates ask Wayne because I believe that he had some produced.
Peter
Jim,
Apropos of the fuel gauge, I believe that Wayne Hancock is in the process of getting those babies produced, but you may need to be patient.
I would give him a telephone call and tell him of your interest because I believe the he never looks at the Message Board.
Good hunting and my best to you and to Ernie!
Peter
