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Here is the second.

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Here are Roger’s pics.

He apparently has PC problems.

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Ed,

If you want, send me the S/Ns of the cars and I can look them up on the tables I have from Bernie, just to see if they have a PAS history.

BTW, NICE Pierce Ice Chest! Cool find, very cool!

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Jim, Read the NASA piece on locking mechanisms. Interesting, however curious that the tension caused by a locker would disappear when flat. One would think that there is memory in the metal otherwise the locker would remain flat when the nut comes off. I will need to discuss this with my 3rd-year Mechanical Engineering student Son (He knows EVERYTHING – ).

I also understand the concept behind stretching threads as the locking mechanism, I just thought that the lockers enhanced that otherwise, flat washers would do just as well.

Need to meditate on this one.

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I don’t believe that split ring lock washers are supposed to “bite” into the nut, but merely exert tension against the nut so that the threads of the nut exert pressure against the threads of the stud / bolt. That is what keeps things locked. Old split ring washers loose their spring and thus their ability to exert tension against the nut.

If you want washers that “bite” you need STAR washers, most commonly used to insure good electrical contact.

Why split ring lock washers would not be used on aircraft is the CONSTANT vibration and its related stress. The vibration itself would cause nuts and bolts to come undone which is why aircraft bodies are riveted and not bolted. Heck, the vibration of an aircraft causes the metal to rupture. You do not see that on an automobile.

Your other nutty explanation seems reasonable, Cliff.

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Craig is correct, old lock washers tend to be junk!

New stainless rules.

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a third

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Another pic

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I think that this is for a later, as in post 1929 Pierce, but others should comment.

I think the correct piece for an earlier 20s car is as shown in the pic attached (more pics available – contact me) and the mounting is on the right side bottom of the cowl just aft of the engine compartment.

I attached mine by using a combination of tiny screws, (0 X ⅜” SS pan-head slot – contact me for some) and automotive mounting tape. I used a fibre backing behind the cowl into which I screwed the screws. It was not easy to get the backing in place.

That type of plaque comes up on EBAY occasionally and within the past two weeks one sold for about $49.

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It is good to double check on double nuts or in your case, the octuple lack thereof.

If the single nut arrangement is consistent throughout the eight locations on your front springs, then it is likely correct, or the idiot who last greased the springs 40-years ago messed up front to rear (although in a consistent fashion).

However, if it will set your mind at ease, correct or otherwise, there seems to be ample thread showing on your U-Bolts to accommodate another nut.

Personally, I would just leave them as they are unless the single nut and locker do not appear to do the job. If that was the case, I would just replace the single nut and washer. Otherwise, they are likely fine.

I will also tell you that I do not have the constitution / disposition /personality to be the owner of a concours anything.

Have fun with the car and have a laugh at Tony Costa’s humor! There is wisdom in that boy.

And by the way, did you ask ANYTHING about greasing the springs, or did that line of discussion just appear?

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Bravo Kerstin, Bravo!

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Merry Christmas to all and a Piercing New Year!

Make Merry this Festive Season!

I look forward to seeing you all in Warwick, Rhode Island at the 2014 Annual Meet. (details now online)

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Buying used high-end cars has always been the thing to do if you want a great car at a reasonable price.

Also note that the asking price of $650.00 or $850.00 F.O.B. Buffalo for these seven to eight year old Pierce-Arrow cars is $200.00 to $400.00 more than the cost of a NEW Ford of the time.

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Things do spin out of control at times, eh?

Merry Christmas to all and a Piercing New Year!

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Jak,

You just need an iPad to read them in bed!

Peter

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The current issue of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine has an article on Phil Hill and his contribution to the collector car hobby / industry and his impact on the Pebble Beach Concours.

There in not only a pic of him, but of he and his lovely, 1931 Pierce-Arrow LeBaron Town Car Cabriolet, on the winner’s stand at Pebble Beach.

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Bernie Weis’ records show the following about P-A #1080938: 1934, 836A, 136-in w/b, S/N: 1080938, E/N: 240934, 135-S-559, Sedan.

If this is the 1080938 car, these are the details.

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Thank you Stuart & Clara,

A very nice piece for Thanksgiving reading!

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The winning bidder must have been wearing a mask and thin leather gloves, as he stole the car @ $34.500.

Hats off to him, her or whomever!

It certainly sets a precedent for the value of the cars.

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Balance Beads is a third name being marketed

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