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Klaus,

PAS records show the car belongs to a former PAS member, Mary Reynolds, in CT. It is possible the car has been sold on.  If you would like her contact information, e-mail me at [email protected]. If you have additional historical information on the car, I can add it to the car’s PAS record.

Dave

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It’s going to be a great tour car.

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Kirby,

It’s looking great.  Refresh my memory, you just buffed the existing paint, or new?

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Sorry, your grandfather. The car is in CT. I found it digging through some old records. It was reportedly purchased in 1999, about the right timeline from your description. I don’t think it is for sale, but you can contact him and ask.  I will e-mail you his contact info.  Dave

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Jason,

If your father is the person I mentioned above, I know where the car is now. Please confirm your father was Richard J. Peterson of Napa, CA and I will e-mail the information to you.   It is a 1933 836 Club Sedan.

Dave

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Jason,

We have a Richard J. Peterson of Napa in our expired members database. It shows he joined in 1982. Unfortunately there is no car attached to his record.  Is this him?  The car looks like a 1933 836 or 1236. It’s hard to tell from the photo angle but it looks like a Club Brougham or possibly a Club Sedan.  Hopefully one of our long time members remembers him and might give you more information. Our car database is organized by serial number,so it would be very helpful to have that if you can find any old paperwork.

Dave

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Ron,

In Pierce-Arrow cars of this era, the ( – ) cable went directly to the starter (as shown in the diagram Carl posted) and there was an internal switch mechanism inside the starter housing.  It was activated by a mechanical linkage from a foot pedal. Later 20’s cars (with dual valve engines) had a slightly different mechanism, but still internal. I do not know if the trucks were the same as the cars.  Below is a diagram of the early 20’s X Series truck starter. Hopefully this will be of some use to you.  You might check with Karl Krouch as he is familiar with the trucks.

Dave

 

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This is out of the 1930 Parts Book, the last one with drawings.  I don’t know if it will help you or not.  As far as a Borescope, you can pick one up at Harbor Freight for $60-70.

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Carl,

Thanks for the info. It has been added to the Parts and Services Directory.

Dave

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Brett,

Below is a table of the various cylinder heads from  Service Bulletin 89-2. Strangely, it doesn’t list the Model 51. (same as 52?) The number/letter in the column “Mark” is stamped on a small flat (1″ long) in front of the water outlet. This will tell you what head you have and you can identify other heads as to which ones they are.  One other thing to note, in 1932 and ’33 cap screws were used to hold the head on. In ’34 Pierce switched to studs with a nut. The earlier engines have a locator pin in the block and a corresponding hole in the head (roughly enter of the head), the stud engines do not have this pin or the hole in the head.

Another PASB article mentioned that the small ’32 12 heads are specific to that model and others won’t interchange.

I have a cracked head on my ’33 1247. The spare head that came with the car is a ’34, without the locator hole. The two cracks run from the spark plug hole down the head (about 2″). I have done a temporary fix to keep the car operational with JB Weld. So far, no leaks. I do plan on replacing or repairing the head.

It is possible to have the head repaired.  “Lock and Stitch” is well known for successful repairs. There are also welders that can weld cast iron successfully. John Cislak is a likely source for a head.  413/543-9017  Email: [email protected]

Dave

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Click on the Red issue number and it will download a pdf.  Scroll down for the earlier issues.  If you can’t get them, I can e-mail the issues.

 

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I know at least one of the issues I saw on the search had information on the facing material.  Good luck!

 

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Use the Technical Search Tool to find articles on your clutch.  I put 51 in the Model Field and Clutch in the Title Field. and got a lot of hits.  You can download each issue by clicking on the red issue title.  You will get a few hits on the Model 51 from ’19-20 which obviously don’t apply.

Dave

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https://pierce-arrow.org/members/service-bulletin-library/  Scroll down a ways and there is a list of all of the Service Bulletins. If you are looking for a specific topic, use the Technical Search Tool.  Don’t be too specific with your search terms.

Yes, when I went to enter the car I saw that it was on Scott’s record.  I am assuming you are not Scott? There is no first name on your account. So who actually owns the car now?

Dave

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Scott,

I will get the car onto your account.

Digital pdf copies of the PASBs are available on the website.  Member Pages > Publications and technical > Service Bulletin Library.

Dave

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Randy,

There are also LED Headlight Bulbs available. A lot brighter and draw a lot less electricity. You can tell they are there, so not authentic for a show car.  They are a whiter light.  Check Restoration Supply or some of the Model A suppliers.

Dave

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Carl,

There is nothing in the Weis Files or the PAS database to point to this car.  There are not a lot of 1909 66s, and none with an owner name of Johnston. Minneapolis Fire Dept converted several P-A 48s and 66s to fire apparatus, but this occurred in the teens and early 20s, earlier than the article above.  Dave

This is a Minneapolis FD shop-built smoke extractor assembled in 1926 on a used 1920 Pierce-Arrow touring car chassis. The smoke extractor was patented by MFD Chief of Department Charles Ringer. It is missing the metal tubes on the sides. This is the first chassis the smoke extractor was mounted on. In 1935 it was re-mounted on a 1935 Ford chassis. In the 1940s it was mounted on a trailer and towed to fires. Then, in 1953 it was re-mounted on a 1952 Ford chassis.

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Thanks for the information. PAS records also show a Nicolas Ronco. Is this your father?

Dave

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Mena,

It is a nice looking car.  I added the photos you posted onto the car’s PAS record. The record shows you father having it since October 1950. If you can post or e-mail me the info on your uncle’s ownership, I will add that to the record. It is very unusual to find a Pierce-Arrow that is still owned by the original family.  Thanks, Dave

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Raymond,

I may have a digital copy. There are no pictures in the ’33 manual, just names and part numbers. I am on the road right now and will check on the manual when I get home. I also have a ’33 1247.

 

Dave

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