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On one of my Pierce cars, I took two single lip shaft seals with springs, that both fit snug in water packing housing and snug around water pump shaft.

I then installed them back to back, thus one seal was keeping water in, and one seal was keeping air out.

Worked like a charm….no leaks and no maintenance…

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The Studebaker President mats are no longer being made, I’ve been told by a Studebaker parts dealer.

I’m going to work with the fellow from Utah, will take mat out next week, this week trying to get everything ready for Grand Classic in Gettysburg..

Thanks for all the input dc

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No, they are not like those…that’s just a little rectangular mat that’s 20 inches or so – the mat I’m discussing is shaped like the front floor, and much more complicated….

I’ll see if I can find out about the Studebaker connection…thanks

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I’ve made contact with Ron, he says a rough idea is that he needs drawing, full size template, pencil rub of Pierce logo, and as many details as possible.

I’m going to get all those to him.

What I need:

-I’m giving him dimensions and info for a 1931 Model 43 front floor mat

-Don’t know how the dimensions of these compare to other models/years

-as mentioned, can modify/add edge flat border area to fit other cars

-I can make a paper template, and send to anyone to see if it fits, and/or how much to add for a border which can be trimmed…

-would like to send templates, or get dimensional information, to/from owners of:

-1929-31 open car owners, all models

-1932 open car owners, all models

-other open cars?

-or, if you can, make a drawing of your front floorboard area with all dimensions and send to me.

So, please advise if you can help with above dimensions.

First mat, with cost of mold, is around $1200. Cost goes down the more we can have made, would like to target $600 or less each if enough people interested. Thanks David C.

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Tom, thank you very much, at least now I have a place to start. I’d say if we could get them made to sell at $400, I’d buy one for sure, compared to a lot of reproduced stuff that doesn’t sound expensive. I understand the running board mat guy mentioned previously, in Canada, charges over $1000 for a set of running board mats.

I’ll contact Ron and see what he says, thanks again. dc

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Yes, the outer edges are flat, so that makes sense to make it larger and trim to fit various models.

Trying not to sound like a smart acre, but it’s mentioned that “it should be easy”…if anyone really knows an “easy” way to duplicate a large rubber mat, with a moderately complicated pattern and a logo in the middle, please let me know.

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“Just touching that old rubber will cause it to break apart”

Yes, that’s the case with mine. Just taking it out will make it lose a few pieces. I like that it’s the original, but at some point it will just be a pile of parts unless preserved.

I’m searching for the way to make a run of mats. I’d talked to Steele about making a mold for the rear vent window rubber, and they said the mold cost was $20K, which I find hard to believe. My plan at this point is to make a detailed drawing of the mat in my car, that would allow both quotes for making a mold and also verification if it would fit in YOUR car.

More to come thanks dc

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I just had my phaeton out today for the first time this year, and happy to say it made a round trip (always a plus!).

I’ll take the mat out this weekend and get a picture. It’s getting very dry and brittle, every time I move it to get to the battery another piece seems to fall off.

It’s not just a simple ribbed mat. It has a border, and border’s around shift/brake and steering.

Picture worth a whole bunch of words, will try to get one this weekend. Thanks for comments! David C.

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If anyone else wants a length of this rubber, be thinking about it. I only have 3 left. I can email you directions if you wish to look it over, or even send you a small sample if you desire. 15 foot piece, $110 shipped anywhere in continental US. thanks [email protected]

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See this period picture. This was discussed not long ago among a group of us, with the round side down a lot of vision is blocked. Flat side down is correct as stated….

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What is the spacing for the mounting screws in the 4 wind-wing brackets ? And what is the diameter of the hole for the pin/pivot pin that they clamp onto ??

Mounting holes are exactly 1″ (one inch) apart. The hole is 5/16″ diameter. I’m sure they are for sun visors, as they have a screw hole to “clamp” on the rod, I just don’t know what car!

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Thanks Kirk.

I have a real weak spot for 1931 Model 43 phaetons, as I met mine in 1966 and bought it in 1984.

I follow them when they come up for sale, or they are listed in the PAS roster. I wasn’t familiar with your car, but it’s a nice one. I like the Model 43 because it’s sportier, so to speak, than the bigger models.

If I were a younger man still working I’d be trying to buy it from you. However, being retired, I still haven’t figured out the term “fixed income”. Mine’s broken, I wish someone WOULD fix it…

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Yes, the four on the left all have the number 1331382, and below that a “2”….I’m sure they are visor clamps of some kind, in nice, older rechromed condition, one ear has a slight bend but nothing major…

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Darn, Ed, you weren’t supposed to mention that…and, uh, everyone knows that, uh, no such thing exists….so, no, there’s no multi-cylinder Pierce that’s unknown, that would just be silly….a V-16? Sheesh, can you imagine the trouble that my machine shop is having with that crankshaft?….uh, I mean, can you imagine what trouble it would be? If it existed, that is…

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Please note that I was the one who posted this on the AACA forums, and also take note that I did so on April 1st.

I do have that “1939 Pierce Arrow” book, it is real. Unfortunately, it’s not about cars, it’s a yearbook from a high school in Washington State.

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It so happens that I recently acquired a “Shop Copy” of the 2 and 5 ton truck service letters, dated January 1, 1920. The roster says you have a 1919 truck, so are you discussing it, or a later one? See picture for “electrical” section of service letters.

The entire manual is a couple of hundred pages, if this information would be of interest not sure where to put it, could copy it but it would take some time to do so.

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Tony, I saw Ladd’s car discussed on Facebook. Did he have more than one Pierce? The one on FB was a 1929 dual cowl, this is a 1931 dual windshield…..

I agree on the Tom Lester work. There are two cars out there with his engines that I restored, one a ’34 sedan and the other a ’35 coupe, and the engines were smooth, strong, and quiet……

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Yes, something different for sure about water distribution. Engine was done by Tom Lester, wonder if those were modifications that somehow helped performance?

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Next to another one already there!?!

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Saw it at the last meet…if you look for Pierce ads for 1933, you’ll see the inspiration for the all yellow car. Seagrave engine but a wonderful car and would be a lot of fun to own!

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