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Myron, I’m for the merger. I don’t think anyone will ever confuse a Pierce Arrow with a Studebaker. While the latter are very nice cars, the exceptional quality of a Pierce will always be foremost in a customer’s mind, and there’ll be no question of either company copying the others product.

This merger should assure the survival of both companies through the 20th Century.

Well played!!

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OK no problem on the name, at least I know it’s sold….and it went to a good home….that car sure had me going for a while, I made a run at it, but it really needed someone with deeper pockets….my dream of a custom bodied Pierce is probably on permanent hold! thanks dc

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here you go, Ed, complete with video!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ml41kNlk34

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below is a list of the times that FDR visited Canada, obviously the first in 1933 would not be applicable, so it had to be one of the other visits…it was probably #2 or #3 in the list below, as those visits list the person of note that he visited….

Franklin D. Roosevelt 29 June – 1 July 1933 Unofficial None This was a private vacation to the Roosevelt family home on New Brunswick’s Campobello Island.[4]

28 July – 31 July 1936 State/unofficial The Baron Tweedsmuir

Governor General of Canada The first three days of the trip were to Campobello Island for a vacation; on 31 July Roosevelt travelled to Quebec City for official duties.[4]

18 August 1938 State Albert Edward Matthews[5]

Lieutenant Governor of Ontario The President, along with Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King, dedicated the Thousand Islands Bridge over the Saint Lawrence River. At the same time, Roosevelt also received an honorary degree from Queen’s University in Kingston, Ontario.[4][6]

14 August – 16 August 1939 Unofficial None This was a vacation to Campobello Island and to Sydney, Nova Scotia.[4]

21 August – 23 August 1939 Unofficial None Roosevelt stopped at Halifax, Nova Scotia on his way back to the United States.[4]

17 August – 25 August 1943 Working The Earl of Athlone

Governor General of Canada Roosevelt travelled to Canada to attend the Quebec Conference in Quebec City, Quebec.[4] The conference was also attended by Canadian Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King and British Prime Minister Winston Churchill.

11–16 September 1944 Working William Lyon Mackenzie King

Prime Minister of Canada Roosevelt returned to Quebec for the second Quebec Conference,[4] attended by the same dignitaries as the year previous.

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yes I do! Let’s talk… [email protected]

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Yes!! Someone in the Society acquired the car, and I think he has a restoration planned to start in 2031.

Anyway, glad to know where the old girl is, and that it has a good home…..

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Yes, it was 2006, I drove it on the Red field and parked in a PAS spot, sold it to a guy from Pennsylvania for just about identical money to Ebay bid…..have pictures of car as found that the new owner might enjoy…

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thanks for personal replies, and a special thanks to a member who just sent me a plaque out of the blue, a thank you note is on the way..still looking for some..if anyone runs across them let me know…thanks – David

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I sent a picture to Bernie and he didn’t have a record of Georgia Pierce, I’ll work on contacting the relatives, thanks for the idea! dc

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One needs to go back in time, to a Pierce dealership, and you go in to test drive a 1935 Pierce, and you want to try the 12….you get in the car, and it just barely turns over, and after you drive it and try to start it while hot, it’s hard to start.

You wouldn’t buy it, would you, particularly a car that’s thousands more than a basic automobile.

Point is, of course, that being a V-12 doesn’t mean it’s going to be hard to start. There’s something else wrong, whether it’s a condenser, wrong battery cables, dragging starter, worn starter gears….there’s something else wrong.

If these cars had been hard to start when new, sales would sure have suffered (more than they did due to depression!)

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I’ve sent a picture of the item to Bernie, let’s see if he knows…..I have no clue who she was, but it’s interesting that there’s another Pierce item out there with her name on it….I’ve tried to post a picture of this thing, if anyone knows anything about it please advise…best…. David

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No, it’s a jewelry type pendant, it’s in the shape of the Pierce coat of arms with motto below it, and a flat raised place across the middle with her name engraved, whole piece is about 1.5 inches tall, with raised details (such as birds) in gold or gold plated.

What’s the clock, is it floating around?

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Will do, thanks!

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Well, am sure you know this, but have to state the obvious. In fact, my son calls me Captain Obvious, Defender of the Already Known.

Battery cables. Are they the large, fat, 6 volt rated? So many times, someone goes and buys battery cables, and the 12 volt cables are not sized correctly to carry amps needed, it’s seem more when engines are hot.

You should have battery cables about the thickness of your thumb, nice, fat cables. If not, the problems you mention will follow.

If you have the fat cables, then you need to look at starter and ring gear….

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I agree, if you look at the shape of the metal above the dashboard, it doesn’t look correct for an open car, on my 43 phaeton it is curved and wraps around sides. Also, I was looking for a picture showing the cowl vent, didn’t open cars have two vents and closed cars have one?

The chrome plates above front of door, and on panel right behind door, appear to be something added, possibly when coupe top removed?

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The older gentleman in the skybox bought the Silver Arrow, I don’t recognize him. The underbidder was Gordon Apker.

If the restoration was “fresh”, then it’s been updated since Easter of 2011, which is the last time I saw the car….dc

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Doug, that’s a funny story, and one of the reasons that there are always two places you can get free drinks. One’s any gambling casino, and the other is a high dollar car auction….and the purpose of both is to keep those smart brain cells at bay, and let the stupid brain cells lead the pack…..

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I’ve visited this car a couple of times in the Blackhawk collection, and if one wants a car restored to the standards of the 21st century, this is not the car….while still beautiful, it is a very tired older restoration…when I saw it last it even had a cracked door window….the funny thing to me is that I’d heard the Blackhawk had been asking 1.5 million for it and couldn’t find a buyer….anyone know who bought it?

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Memory is telling me that the plates are about 1/16 inch apart, and the spacer is actually a hard rubber or other hard material, the vibration is taken up in the “suspended” metal plates. I believe there are four plates and three spacers, but that’s from memory and surely someone can look at their car and tell you.

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Daryl, I’d have to agree with you…can’t imagine an archer being so special, even gold plated, to bring that kind of dollars…

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