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Alan……besides you current great question, you should also ask why a 1931 Pierce is such a better driver than a 29 or 30. Call me if you like. In my humble opinion a 1931 Pierce is signifigantly a better car than the two earlier years. Best, Ed
Paul was a patriot, gentleman, friend, and much more. A true Pierce Arrow aficionado. May he rest in peace. Goodbye old friend, I will miss you and think of you often. Especially every time I see a 1935 Pierce Arrow. Ed.
Let’s just say that provenance and rumors are two separate things. Also, fiction is not fact. The car that is the subject of the thread was restored poorly in my opinion and in a fairly modified condition from the photos I have seen. I have no interest in it one way or the other. I do recommend anyone purchasing it to get verified iron clad documentation if they think the Tucker story adds value to the car. I’m of the opinion that it is meaningless even if 100 percent fact. Also, I would inspect it to see if it was a 12 when new, or did it start off as an 8? It is so modified it’s a fair question. And no, I will not disclose publicly the tell tale signs of a converted car.
Caveat Emptor applies to EVERY open Pierce of ANY year or series. Especially a V-12. Assume EVERY car is a fake or altered car till proven otherwise. I can think of at least five non authentic V-12 cars out there of which are closed to open conversions or a 8 to 12 swap. And they have awards both in the club and on the circuit.
Make it in brass, and it won’t rust again.
Hi, I posted this for John, please call him directly at his shop. 413-543-9017
Yes, It’s Ray’s old car.
Been there, done that……..Pace trailers had a huge problem with them……..it ate our 35 V-12.
Randy, I have three sample books from from the era showing Patnasote material. One is by my desk at the shop, if you would like photos text me and I will send them.
You must admit, John has a face for radio! He told me about the show, and they did a bunch of stuff with him that took hours….sounds like they only had a short interview with him.
Dennis, John Cislak lives 70 miles from you. Go visit him and his shop. He can explain in detail all the cars, and what you should be looking for.
It only took me 20 years to find a Owen cut out for my 36 V-12. Autolite 4000 series work and are easy to find.
Different intake and exhaust manifolds……..32 is updraft, 33 is downdraft. Nothing in common between them.
It was a great time. Everything went well. Tours and collections were first rate. Best, Ed.
For what it’s worth, I have known this car for forty years, and it has spent all that time four miles from my house. Call if you want info. I was a buyer at 12k.
If you make rims with them…….make six.
I can’t get the photos to open at the RM site. Looks like a very nice car to me………the 1-5 condition code is meaningless. The car should easily hit 50k from what I could see.
1932 Cars used an 18 inch wheel, with five lugs.
I should know it off the top of my head……but can’t recall. Francis Owens worked there and he did several articles about the Mass dealerships…..The building was standing twenty years ago……….but it’s probably gone now, as the entire area is under renewal.
Ours was black…….you can call John Wolf, the number one guage restorer in the country. Our 35 V-12 had restored gauges, and it was a white plastic piece with a black arrow on top.
Francis Owens posted photos of the dealership back in the 80’or 90’s in the Arrow. They owned Boston, Worcester, and Springfield dealerships. They also owned Stutz, Willis St Clair, and one other I can’t remember. I have spoken to the great granddaughter of the owner…..she had five Pierce lap robes and some NOS tool kits……I bought one kit and two robes. They were still using the other lap robes at Boston University and Harvard football games back in the 2010’s…..until they realized their value. The money made back in the day has kept the family comfortable…….they are now citizens of leisure……she volunteered this information…….fun stuff.
