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Robert,
You might want to put this on the Emporium under the LEADS section.
Peter
Tony,
The wheels are in motion, and the topic will most likely be discussed by the Board of Directors at the Buffalo Meet, BEFORE the Show and judging.
I am a bit tentative (most likely) only because I no longer create the Agenda.
However, the initial discussions have begun.
Tony you had better be there to put in your two-cents!
Right, two-cents, HA!
I think that 20-years is good, but others will chime in with their opinions on the matter.
I will make sure to invite Bob to the Meeting.
Peter
George,
Yeah, like $28K too high.
Peter
Mark,
It is a stunning and elegant automobile and perhaps the window partition behind the driver allowed for less wind to blow in when touring, thus reducing the potential for the top to act as a drogue.
The “California” type top does have sliding glass windows in the back.
Also, as Paul pointed out, some P-A owners took their vehicles to a P-S service station, or shipped them to Buffalo, in the fall and had the Touring Body removed and replaced with an Enclosed Body for the winter. Of course, the P-A people would store the unused body for the season.
I guess that those individuals had “beaucoup de bucks.”
You are doing a good deal of research and are teaching as much as you are learning.
Peter
Paul,
I thought that the “California” type top was a removable hardtop that made a touring a closed car.
Rodney Floury has one and I attach a pic for review!
What kind of chute do you think that Victoria top is?
I bet it makes for either a very slow, Royal stroll or a very buffeted experience at speed.
Peter
Paul,
Thanks for the diagram.
I figured that the Vestibule Landau would be like the Woodrow Wilson Pierce-Arrow, but with a Landau passenger section.
Your diagram confirms my suspicions.
Now, what the heck is the proper name of the 1917 pictured above?
Is it in fact a Victoria Top, as described?
I always thought that a Victoria Top had a closed passenger section.
Peter
BTW, even the GODS make errors.
I am are that someone will ask Bernie about this matter when we see him this summer in Buffalo.
Paul and David,
On Bernie’s tables of known P-A cars, the following is listed for this motorcar: 48-B-42 X, 15431 ( Car #), B4-4183 ( Engine #), Vestibule Landau (Style / Model), Rovan, Inc. (Owner), 4921 East U. S. 12, Michigan City, IN 46360 (address).
This particular table was last updated in 2012, but who knows if this particular info was updated at that time.
I don’t know what it proves, save for Bernie was consistent in calling this Pierce-Arrow a Vestibule Landau, even though Paul does have a point.
Perhaps, we need a pic of the car “all buttoned up?””
Peter”
Bill,
So you have that bearing fit around the steering shaft and inside the steering column tube, eh?
What a good way to eliminate wheel jiggle.
Peter
John,
It is my pleasure to stumble on to an opportunity that aides the members of the PAS.
Peter
Ric,
I think that i got my Series 80 Parts Catalog from Bernie Weis, but I do not know if he is still selling it or if it is now a part of the AACA Library / Pierce-Arrow collection.
Most of our old print material went there a few years ago.
You can contact Chris Ritter, the AACA Librarian via email at: [email protected].
Peter
William,
BTW, nice pic of your P-A in the HCCA magazine.
It is quite sweet.
Peter
Ric,
If you have interest, i have a supply of 20s – 30s socket / wire connectors that may have springs inside them.
If you can’t find a suitable spring, be in touch with me via my email address and I will search for them and send you one if i find one.
However, any good spring will do.
Be careful about replacing the dashboard socket, as that one is special.
Take your time in getting your Series 80 to be “perfect,” as these things take time.
I suffered over the electrics in mine because it was wired incorrectly 50-years ago and it was a BEAR to get it correct.
Do you have both the Pierce-Arrow wiring and Tune-Up Guide (1913 – 1938) AND the Pierce-Arrow Parts Catalog for the Series 80 Passenger Car?
If not, you should acquire them as they are invaluable in many ways.
I spent many hours pouring over those books to get things straightened out.
The first rule in getting things straight is DO NOT ASSUME that the prior owner did it correctly.
Start from scratch, wire by wire.
Peter
Ric,
Check the socket for the spring that should be under the contact that touches the single contact on the bulb.
Perhaps when it was rewired someone (of course, not you) failed to inset it.
As far as the wattage goes, the P-A Wiring Guide indicates that the Series 80 dash bulb was a 4cp.
A 5-watt bulb would not be excessive, meaning that it will not run too hot.
The other point is that the only time you need it is when you drive after dark, and that likely doe not occur too often.
However, maybe you are a night owl and if so, be careful, as old car headlights are at best, dim.
Night vision goggles could be helpful and I recall one time driving at night and being pretty terrified as I drove down unlit country roads hoping to get back to the hotel in one piece.
Being that you are a Series 80 guy, be in touch if you have questions or need something for your 80.
There are a bunch of us Series 80 guys around, so we can be of help as you have questions.
Restoration Supply is a good place to find things and so are a number of the old Ford and Buick parts suppliers (for bits and pieces).
Peter
I believe that all of the PAMCC guys who knew why they created free-wheeling mid-range gears are now DEAD.
They probably were not as lucky as Tony Costa to make it down into the valley via the ROAD.
They probably took the short cut that Tony avoided.
Perhaps, the cars were made for Flat-Landers.
The bulbs are single contact, likely bayonet, 4 to 6 candlepower and of course, 6 to 8 volts.
A 5 watt bulb would do no harm.
A NAPA store or the like, would fix you up.
If not, go to a Ford Model T website, like LaBaron Bonney.
I don’t believe that the base of the bulb needs to be especially long.
Perhaps your contact in the socket is missing the spring that is supposed to be underneath it to add tension to the bulb when installed.
Also, what is NEW ORIGINAL wiring?
If original, is is NOS? If so, you may wish to get into new plastic shielded wiring.
If it is new, it may just look original, meaning plastic shielding with a cloth cover.
Rick,
You really need a better pic of what you need.
Take the part off and photograph it.
Or at least wrap some yellow electrical tape around the part you want before you take the pic.
I believe that the story is that the late, great Leo Parnagian’s Father-in-law was a collector and had Duesenberg cars and that Joan, Leo’s wife, drove them but hated driving a TRUCK, which is why Leo started in with Pierce-Arrow cars.
They reported that the Pierce-Arrow cars drove like a dream compared to the Duesenberg cars.
However, I understand that the Duesenberg cars are great for drag-racing.
Nice piece Brooks, or should I say nice Pierce!
The only Pierce-Arrow listed on eBay at this time is the same Series 80 that is listed in the Emporium.
Did it get away?
Rats!
