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I hear gobs of laughter!
Gobs of tire talc(powder) will help with the tube sticking or motion
between the tube and tire or rim strips.
Nice car, but your right front tire is leaking oil! I’m serious about
the good looks of your car, anyway.
V12’s were available in the thirties for prestige and comfort. A
goodly proportion of them were chauffer driven as a reflection of
the owner’s position in society. If shifting gears was a concern,
most of the owners had multiple cars in their garage with performance
to suit their whims. Anybody for an owner driven Stutz DV32 156HP
Super Bearcat, Supercharged Auburn, Cord or Duesenberg? An Auburn or
Packard V12 Speedster might do? And lastly, all those foreign shifty
cars that only “The 400″” could afford.”
The Packard Co. had loaned the earliest(or one of the earliest)
Packards for the Show. It was valued for an un-godly amount for
the day and was a total loss.
Don’t keep us guessing. What year and make is the “original older
car””?”
I have a 1904 Olds French Front and a 1905 REO Model A 2 cylinder.
The REO is car #74 and the first Model A’s were used to test the
reliability of the car and were produced in 1904. Model B 1 cylinders
were introduced in 1905. A 1905 Model A was the first car to go coast
to coast and then head back to where it started out! Quite a feat for
1906. Both cars that own me are similar to the green car in one of
the pictures.
A lot of you that started out as hobbyists have morphed into
collectors without realizing it. Wifely scorn, lack of space, and
lack of money seems to be the controlling factors whether sanity
will prevail when that next purchase tempts. It is a common malady
called “Mad Car Disease”” Only the rich get rich from this pursuit.
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What a difference the placement of those headlamps makes. I bet
they light up the road differently, too. Thanks for making the
picture of your fine car available, William.
The 85,790 total production number was credited to Bernie Weis in an
article he wrote for the Arrow 2002-3.
I’ve ridden in this car. It is smooth and spirited. At one of the
“Shakedown Tours” that the Millers were instrumental in putting on,
Rob had an impromptu contest with an Englishman in a 1911(?)
Interstate racecar( a large 4 cylinder, built to replicate an
Indianapolis 500 racer). I was doing above 60MPH when they left me in
the dust. They rapidly were out of view. Don’t try this at home.
In the back of the 2014 Roster it is stated, 85,790 Pierce-Arrow
cars were built. Survivors that the Club is aware of( vehicles in our
data base, regardless of whether the owner is a current member of the
Society; includes small % of incomplete vehicles), equals 2,489 cars.
The estimated survival rate of passenger cars is 2.9%. 110 trucks are
known of.
Survival of old cars is an interesting subject. WWII scrap drives
insured that we wouldn’t have to count so high. Somewhere I was informed
that only 1% of the early cars survived. Of course this is a rough
figure. I usually double the figure that I know of to compensate for
the ones that I can’t know of. As time passes, “known cars” may become
a firmer count. ’20’s cars may need a higher %, and ’30’s cars survival
may have been helped by WWII due to the lack of new cars. We have the
benefit of car clubs, car museums,car libraries and the car
addicted like Mr. Minnie or others of like stature in our Club, to
answer questions like Edward’s.
The first owner was a leprechaun from Hollywood Hills. I’m green
with envy.
Rodney was kind enough to let me drive this car on one of his get
togethers . I drove to an Alpine lake 1000 feet above his valley ranch.
He was sitting next to me but neglected to inform me that the car has
freewheeling. Somehow we made it down the twisty road in one piece. The
2 wheel brakes do work. The color was a gut wrenching lime green at the
time, but the car seemed to be original with a paint job. That was
3 owners ago, but my hair stands straight up recalling that ride.
Thanks Rodney!
It is my understanding that some parts were interchangeable between
these engines. Studebaker set speed records with its straight eight. We
can only speculate about how much collaboration took place on the
straight eight under Studebaker’s ownership of Pierce-Arrow.
I have 2 “Aerodynamic” Hupps. One is an eight cylinder, and the other
is a hot rod. The Hupp Club knows of 35 left. The coupes are very rare.
A ’36 6 cylinder coupe in restored shape is on the market for $85,000.
Hupp only produced 74 cars in 1936. Most of the Hupps built during 1934
and 1935 were not Aerodynamics. Hupp built the first “Aero Car”
designed in a wind tunnel for production. It was introduced Jan 1,1934,
the same day Chrysler introduced the Airflow. I’d kill for an Eight
cylinder coupe.
It’s admirable that McPherson College is teaching it’s students that
researching and originality is an important part of doing a proper
restoration that may make the difference in a car’s survivability eons
past the lifespan of its present decision maker. We would be doing a
wise thing to support this institution as individuals and as a club.
Ed is a Pierce-Arrow sponge! If it is of or about P-A he absorbs it to
the benefit of the future of all the orphans we love and care for. I
wonder if he is a reincarnation of the spirit that drove P.-A. into
existence…maybe he had a past life as an ice box or a Great Arrow?
There are many in the Club that carry this torch…but he’s just a kid!
Jim Chase: My 1904 Oldsmobile one lunger(147 cubes)has a roller tappet. It’s of interest, that when Mr. Olds built my car, he was
entering his 17th year of producing automobiles!
Ed, when I bought my ’15 T, I did so to make me appreciate the
finer points of a gentleman’s conveyance( my ’12 P-A). Of course, a
side benefit is acquiring leg muscles the size of Popeye’s, and an
increased vocabulary of swear words needed when the T does what it
feels like.
