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I am one of the fallen that have a ’35 with metallic paint. For
penance, I researched the use of metallic paint. I believe that the
Classic Car Club accepts metallic paint back to 1927. It is an
accurate statement that you could obtain any color available at the
time on your P.A. By 1932,Hupp, Chrysler, Studebaker and others,
offered mettalics as standard colors. When asked what color my car is
I respond: prostitute blue, for only a madam would have ordered a P.A.
in this color. Unfortunately, I am becoming fond of the color though
people shout “circus wagon”” when I drive by.”
To the Dluhys and the 2014 Meet Committee, I can’t say enough nice
things about the Meet! I’ve never seen 2 girls at a hotel lobby,
blissfully handle the volume of people so efficiently and with
maximum customer satisfaction. My Son-in-Law was in need of an item
and the Hotel drove him to a local store to pick it up! I got my
first ocean going trip. My Son-in-law’s first contact with P.A.
Members confirmed my beliefs. He was impressed with the dedication
and friendly manner of the members he met. Lastly, I’ve been at many
car events. I’ve yet to see any Chairman as laid back and having a
great time as Bob did. Thanks for all your efforts.
Tony Costa
I had the shimmy smite my 1915 White on a tour. I put a couple of
washers in the tie-rod ends to make up for a tired spring and have
not had a return of the problem. 4,875 lbs. of a 4 cyl., aluminum
bodied car, can be hard on your bicuspids when it feels the urge to
do the shimmy.
Ed,
I think your gift is very “cool”. It brings back memories of ice
deliveries to my porch as a youngster. Your respectful donation in
your Father’s name gives us all a chance to reflect on a Son’s love,
and his Father’s vision to improve the future by giving a glimpse of
what past enterprising people can achieve in the pursuit of quality.
Tony Costa
Rich, have you approached Pat Craig?
This application is unusual and looks like an after-market item.
Model A’s had them. Most were a continuous cast iron ring that was
heated to red hot, placed on the drum and when it cooled, it was
firmly secured. They are there to prevent brake fade which is caused
by distortion of overheated thin metal brake drums. This band looks
too thin and the clamps and bolt look like a poor idea.
Greg is a certified mechanical genius who has healed cars as old as
1910, without the benefit of manuals or prior training. He has been
very generous with his skills and knowledge. A very “cranky” Rambler
has been given a new lease on life due to his generous spirit. When
they open the Pierce-Arrow Hall of Fame, I hope to cast a nomination,
so that he may be honored next to all the others that are deserving.
I’d like to choke the choke on my EE3’s! They have a
strong attitude, and it isn’t a good one.
I once owned a 1911 Hudson torpedo touring. The restorer had
doubled the horsepower and added a manual overdrive without a
neutral. In 1968 he had it air freighted to New York and toured
back to S.F. with 50 other pre ’15 autos. He had a lead foot and
65MPH was his cruising speed(75 was about tops, but it was
comfortable at 65MPH).He had upgraded his brakes with ’55 Chevy
hydraulics and he robbed a Cole V8(twice the weight of the Hudson)
for its contracting manual emergency brakes. The overdrive made
that car rapid(6 speeds forward).
I once sold a 1913 M4 Franklin because every one I had toured
with was a dog in the hills and cruising speed was wanting. The
guy I sold it to took me for a ride after he had restored it and
put in an overdrive. I was amazed at how flexible the car was. On
his maiden voyage, he joined the 1976 Bi-Centennial Portland to
Philadelphia Tour and cruised at 50-55MPH(it was 6 cyl.,240 cu.
in.). The moral is: changing the gear ratio takes something away.
Adding an overdrive only improves the car. If you are a purist,
leave the car alone.
Jak,
I’ve only seen one Turcat Mery in my life.It’s amazing that a P-A
Society member would have one. Can you tell us a little about it and
how do they perform?
Tony
Joe Malone has been doing a very scholarly job of trying to find
a replacement fabric for his 836A. He is basing his choices on
original material from un-restored cars. Too my knowledge, he
avoided the Haartz material after a conversation with Eric. When he
locates the closest material he can find, several of us will purchase
it. It might be to your advantage to contact him. His experiences so
far, would make an interesting article. My ’36 with 55,000 miles on
it, had the original top rip at 45 MPH, so I’m in line.
Just try and professionally restore that engine for $25K! Not to
mention the time expended and logistics of moving it. The price is
fair without considering the core thrown in for free.
It looks a little 1910 Cadillac like, though the eyelid on the
front fender doesn’t fit and the demountable rims are strange on any
1910 car in this price bracket ($1,600-$1,800). The hubcaps look
Cadillac as they used aluminum with an insert. The headlights look
Gray and Davis. The round piece above the hood former is typical
Cadillac and 110″ Wheelbase looks right ( Same as ’09 Velie). It
would be nice to see more of the car!”
I won’t dignify those last comments. After all, I belong
to a prestigious Society.
it’s my understanding that the 836A was a raid on obsolete parts,
as well as cutting expenses anywhere they could (rear spares,
single tail lights, lack of radiator ornament, etc.). I don’t know
where they got 750 extra 366’s. I could see why they didn’t want
to grace them with 150 HP. The 836A already has a weight advantage
over their big brothers. Packard dropped their standard motor in
the Light Eight, and it would run away and hide from their
expensive offerings. Whatever Pierce did, they were trying to cut
corners on cost. Their prices were $100 more than a Buick Limited.
An old timer told me that an 836A got him through college in the
old days. He had shaved the head and did other tricks to hop it
up. He could go up the old Grapevine Highway at 60MPH headed for
LA. It’s work to maintain 65MPH on the new 4 lane in a modern car!
I think a good 836A will take a good 840A or 845 in everyday
driving.
As far as respecting two wheel brakes, I have none for them. I
approached an intersection at 45MPH when the light changed on me.
Upon locking my brakes, I skidded through the intersection with
fear gripping me. I exited doing 42MPH. The good news, is that a
3,800 lb. early car will go where you point her without much roll
(surprising, huh).Sorry to get off topic on that ever loving White
man, Taft.
A stock 48HP will top out at 72-75 MPH. A 66, I’ve
heard would do 75MPH to 80+ MPH. These would be comfortable
speeds if you weren’t concerned with stopping. The car
has little lean (with Hartford Shocks) and goes where you
point it. In 1973 I drove my 36HP on the freeway to get
home at 55MPH cruise speed. I crossed the SF-Oakland Bay
Bridge. On another occassion I had my car tapped out when a
’10, non stock “48HP” blew by
me like I was standing still. He was racing an Interstate
that had been restored as an Indy Race machine. They were
doing above 75MPH. I’ve since retired my racing gloves, so
don’t come looking for me. Find Ed! I was talking about
1912 models.
Joe,
Have Ed tell you what he does to prepare his ’32 for
Watkins Glen Race Track. It really screams(which is
what I was doing that day).
The base of the radiator cap is stock. It has been drilled and an
aftermarket ornament has been added. The horn is an aftermarket also
as bulb horns were mounted under the hood. The front bumper is also
aftermarket The “66” had a 140 inch wheelbase and was $6,000 ($1,000
more than a “48”). One way to tell the difference was the height of
the radiator. the later cars could be distinguished by the length
of their front fenders in relation to their hoods. It may work on a
“12” too? I was under the impression that Taft got 2 closed cars
(36HP). I’ve seen a registration for a 1912 “66” car no#66,306 and
this must be it. The car was in Taft’s name in 1913.
I know this is heresy, but Taft’s favorite car was a White Steamer.
Some say he owned it before he was elected. Others say it was part of
the White House purchase. $12,500 was budgeted by Congress to
purchase the cars, set up the carriage house for autos, and hire a
chauffeur. The White($4,000),2 Pierces at $5,000+ each, and an
electric for his wife($2,800.The last year a White Steamer was built
was 1911,so it was a used car in 1912.The White is still in existence
while the others haven’t made it. Disclaimer: I own a 1915 White
4-45.
