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Ed,
Copy the total URL, paste it into the space below and then remove the following: http://
If it starts with www the website will put in the http:// – as I did for this reply.
Peter
Gents,
That Pierce even has RUNNING BOARD LIGHTS, per another Message Thread!
Peter
Tony,
I didn’t include the $20 core charge in my calculations, so to my number you can add another $20.00 because there is no core charge from Optima Jim. 
You are a Good Man Tony, no apologies required.
You are merely thinking of other PAS members in immediate need of a starting battery.
Cheers,
Peter
Tony,
With the 20% discount, the battery is in the range of $190.00.
If one can wait until Spring 2019, the PAS price through Optima Jim will likely be at least $50.00 less, including delivery.
Peter
Gents,
You may be interested in checking out this eBay piece.
Someone better buy it soon!
Peter
Karl,
So you are saying that there is an air space / gap between the script PIERCE and where it is connected to the arrow / wheel.
It was either cast in pieces and assembled or cast in one piece by a very sophisticated foundry / casting craftsman.
I could see that gap when I opened the photo and enlarged it.
Very interesting.
Peter
Paul,
The W. C. W. books do not state that either of the two mascots shown directly above were produced by the PAMCC.
There is no maker listed.
I understand that Harrolds produced P-A mascots, and further, I expect that they did so under license from the PAMCC.
I put the photos on this message thread to illustrate different “wheel-type” mascots, including their stated dates of production.
It is general information.
Cheers,
Peter
Gents,
Here is a photo of the 1905 Pierce mascot (William C. Williams, Volume #1.
Peter
Gents,
The William C. Williams Mascot Book, Volume-II, indicates that the “The factory standard mascot was the Wheel & Arrow similar to the 1916 design.””
Peter”
Ken,
Nice cap, where did you find it or did it come with the mascot?
Is is stainless?
Peter
Richard,
After doing that work on you 1904 Stanhope, you would call what was done a “Sympathetic Refurbishment.””
Peter”
Terry & Gents,
As I believe is accurate, Pierce-Arrow Dealers sometimes commissioned the creation of a particular radiator mascot for their Dealership, so someone in San Francisco might have been able to buy something unique that was not available nationwide through the PAMCC.
Peter
Terry,
Well, I ventured into the maelstrom and found my William C. Williams, Motoring Mascots of the World.
Williams states on pages; 61 & 62 that the top mascot shown on this discussion is from the Late Teens to 1922.
The book makes no mention of Karl’s first mascot shown with an Arrow but shows one similar without the Arrow, that is listed as of 1905 vintage.
The second one Karl posted is of 1920s vintage, which is the one I reproduced, with ITALIC BLOCK letters.
Williams also shows another PIERCE Wheel & Arrow similar to Karl’s second photo, but it appears to be FLAT rather than more rounded (if you get my drift) and that Mascot has BLOCK letters that are straight and not ITALIC, made for the Series 80.
Finally regarding this type of mascot, Williams shows the Winged, Pierce-Arrow, wheel-like mascot with the image of the nose of a Series 80 inside of a hexagon. This was likewise made for the Series 80, one of which sold a few days ago on eBay.
I hope that this aids in your search for information.
Peter
Terry,
You should grab a copy (buy or get from library) the following book by William C. Williams: Motoring Mascots of the World.
There may be two volumes.
It details each of the Pierce-Arrow mascots.
I reproduced one of the mascots, the one that Karl shows with BLOCK LETTERS, but they are long gone.
I would, and may, look into my copies of Williams’ books, if I can dig them out of wherever they are stored and get back to you.
Also, the arrow is pointed “going down the road.””
Peter”
http://www.amazon.com/Motoring-Mascots-World-English-French/dp/0879380365
Craig,
One of our PAS members from Nevada has 1918 New Hampshire plates on one of his cars.
The car is not even registered.
He has never been pulled over.
In Massachusetts, you don’t have to put the Registration Sticker on YOM plates, just keep it with the Registration.
Maybe you should get some 1929 MASS plates.
I do like Ed’s approach of keeping the REAL plates under the carpet.
Peter
Jim,
Knowing NOTHING about 1930 Model B cars, they look like a body panel gap block to me.
Perhaps they fit at one end or the other of the engine drip pans?
They have a gasket on them and what appears to be a screw hole.
I would look for two screws (one on each side) that hold NOTHING, or two screw holes (one on each side) that have no screws.
Good luck,
Peter
Richard,
I concur with David’s suggestion.
Also, there is “Break-in Oil”” available.
Peter”
http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-purple-break-in-oil/
Bob,
Contact Olsen and see if they made a mistake in what they sent yo.
Peter
Bob,
Very good!
The inventor was Francis W. Davis and the book about him was: The Unreasonable American; Francis W. Davis, Inventor of Power Steering.
He did finally get his power steering installed on GM cars, but it took 40-years or more.
In the meantime, his units were installed on WWII tanks and heavy trucks and were applauded as contributing greatly to winning the war.
Chrysler and Gemmer stole his out-of-date patents, but he didn’t care too much because he had improved his units so much that they were essentially stealing old technology.
It is good book to read and yes, he did his first installation on his 1920 Pierce-Arrow which he drove from Buffalo to Detroit to sell it to GM after PAMCC rejected the concept as too advanced / complicated.
He worked at PAMCC until he got fed up with their not appreciating his inventive mind.
Peter
http://www.abebooks.com/Unreasonable-American-Francis-Davis-Inventor-Power/50956774/bd
