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Terry & Gents,

As I believe is accurate, Pierce-Arrow Dealers sometimes commissioned the creation of a particular radiator mascot for their Dealership, so someone in San Francisco might have been able to buy something unique that was not available nationwide through the PAMCC.

Peter

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Terry,

Well, I ventured into the maelstrom and found my William C. Williams, Motoring Mascots of the World.

Williams states on pages; 61 & 62 that the top mascot shown on this discussion is from the Late Teens to 1922.

The book makes no mention of Karl’s first mascot shown with an Arrow but shows one similar without the Arrow, that is listed as of 1905 vintage.

The second one Karl posted is of 1920s vintage, which is the one I reproduced, with ITALIC BLOCK letters.

Williams also shows another PIERCE Wheel & Arrow similar to Karl’s second photo, but it appears to be FLAT rather than more rounded (if you get my drift) and that Mascot has BLOCK letters that are straight and not ITALIC, made for the Series 80.

Finally regarding this type of mascot, Williams shows the Winged, Pierce-Arrow, wheel-like mascot with the image of the nose of a Series 80 inside of a hexagon. This was likewise made for the Series 80, one of which sold a few days ago on eBay.

I hope that this aids in your search for information.

Peter

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Terry,

You should grab a copy (buy or get from library) the following book by William C. Williams: Motoring Mascots of the World.

There may be two volumes.

It details each of the Pierce-Arrow mascots.

I reproduced one of the mascots, the one that Karl shows with BLOCK LETTERS, but they are long gone.

I would, and may, look into my copies of Williams’ books, if I can dig them out of wherever they are stored and get back to you.

Also, the arrow is pointed “going down the road.””

Peter”

http://www.amazon.com/Motoring-Mascots-World-English-French/dp/0879380365

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Craig,

One of our PAS members from Nevada has 1918 New Hampshire plates on one of his cars.

The car is not even registered.

He has never been pulled over.

In Massachusetts, you don’t have to put the Registration Sticker on YOM plates, just keep it with the Registration.

Maybe you should get some 1929 MASS plates.

I do like Ed’s approach of keeping the REAL plates under the carpet.

Peter

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Jim,

Knowing NOTHING about 1930 Model B cars, they look like a body panel gap block to me.

Perhaps they fit at one end or the other of the engine drip pans?

They have a gasket on them and what appears to be a screw hole.

I would look for two screws (one on each side) that hold NOTHING, or two screw holes (one on each side) that have no screws.

Good luck,

Peter

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Richard,

I concur with David’s suggestion.

Also, there is “Break-in Oil”” available.

Peter”

http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-purple-break-in-oil/

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Bob,

Contact Olsen and see if they made a mistake in what they sent yo.

Peter

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Bob,

Very good!

The inventor was Francis W. Davis and the book about him was: The Unreasonable American; Francis W. Davis, Inventor of Power Steering.

He did finally get his power steering installed on GM cars, but it took 40-years or more.

In the meantime, his units were installed on WWII tanks and heavy trucks and were applauded as contributing greatly to winning the war.

Chrysler and Gemmer stole his out-of-date patents, but he didn’t care too much because he had improved his units so much that they were essentially stealing old technology.

It is good book to read and yes, he did his first installation on his 1920 Pierce-Arrow which he drove from Buffalo to Detroit to sell it to GM after PAMCC rejected the concept as too advanced / complicated.

He worked at PAMCC until he got fed up with their not appreciating his inventive mind.

Peter

http://www.abebooks.com/Unreasonable-American-Francis-Davis-Inventor-Power/50956774/bd

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Gents,

So now that I am totally confused, I want to know if a 400-cu-in engine producing 150-hp generates the same torque a a given, set RPM, as a 250-cu-in engine that produces 150-hp?

If so, why and if not, why?

Peter

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Richard,

Most, if not all, States allow Year of Manufacture (YOM) plates.

Usually, the plate has to be in “original” condition, as in not refinished.

Then, after the car is registered with the plate, you can send it out for refinishing.

Peter

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Gents,

The calculation for torque at 1,400 rpm for 160 HP is 600.23 ft/lbs.

Peter

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Gents,

Here is a Spark Plug conversion table.

Peter

http://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/convert/AC_DELCO/C77

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Gents,

I Love this Message Board!

Peter

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Jim,

What are your calculations for Torque?

All of the HP / RPM to Torque websites that I visit give me the same numbers as above and those are higher than your numbers.

Peter

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Hello Don,

Below is a Torque calculator.

The number that I came up with for 160 hp & 175 hp at 2,300 RPM are, 365.36 & 399.61 foot pounds of torque

Have fun with it.

Peter

http://www.1728.org/mtrtrq.htm

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Kerry,

If you choose to sell your Pierce-Arrow, it would be great if you were to first post its availability on the PAS Emporium so that other PAS members would have first shot at purchasing your lovely, rare and historical motorcar.

Peter

PS: Thanks to Tony for providing eloquence to knock-off.

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Bill,

You are just getting up to speed with the Message Board.

In a few months you will be a Pierce-Arrow Message Board Professional!

However, please note that even the Pros make OOPS, Errors!

BTW, have you contacted any of the other PAS 48B owners via email?

You can look them up in the roster and send them email with the questions (Teebay).

We Gents who own only “newer”” P-A cars (20s & 30s) likely no nothing about Magneto functioning.

Peter”

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Alan,

But of course!

Peter

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Bill,

How you edit your post is to COPY YOUR TEXT, DELETE THE POSTING and then RE-POST it!

I have done that many times and just did it again with this reply.

HA!

Peter

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Gents,

Please excuse me for the lack of information.

They are 6-volt bulbs.

I will post a review once they arrive and are installed.

I took a flyer on them and it is only a $30.00 experiment, so nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Peter

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