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Verbiage from Craigslist ad:
“1933 Pierce Arrow Club Brougham Coupe
Black with tan interior. Original unrestored car. Runs and drives well. Needs total restoration or leave original and drive. This is an elegant classic car. Transmission has just been rebuilt and other mechanicals are in good shape. The headlights do not work.
1933 pierce arrows were the first automobile engines to use hydraulic valve lifters, and the cars had mechanical power brakes that are very reliable and in perfect working condition on this car. The engines were very reliable and following the bankruptcy of Pierce Arrow in 1938, they were used into the early 1960s in Seagrave fire trucks.”
Here’s the link
Eric,
Jim is 100% correct about Ohio DMV offices being difficult, but there is also a simpler way to accomplish your goal. Ohio does require an out-of-state inspection form to be completed for cars brought here from elsewhere. And this form is only a verification of the VIN# on the car against the title/registration; any licensed car dealer, new or used, can do this for you. I’d avoid the State Highway Patrol altogether, instead go find some local used car dealer, perhaps with an interest in older cars, for this VIN verification and first explain the engine # on the title difference vs. newer cars, should easily be a done-deal. Then take this slip of paper & your checkbook to the title office and get in the quarter-mile long line stretching a out the door.
Welcome to PAS, Stu Blair, Cincinnati
Congratulations Jim!
During this past August’s “Gathering,” many of us looked-over & admired your “new” Pierce while contemplating how we’d fit it into already over-crowded garages.
A phone call or e-mail to the New York State Dept. of Motor Vehicles may prove-out your remaining 5% provenance. You’d only be going back to the early 1960’s – and not the 1930’s – the State’s records may still exist.
Stu
Paul, you’ve sure created a modern, streamlined design…for 1934!
Compared to, say, a square, box-like 1934 Packard, your Pierce-Arrow adaptation wins the styling comparison hands down!
And, along those same styling lines, it’s too bad that Pierce’s 1933 Silver Arrow advertising tag line, “Suddenly, it’s 1940” didn’t encourage more buyers into the showroom.
For fender welting, try Restoration Supply Co. in Escondido, Calif.
Congratulations Rick!
Looks and sounds great.
The below link goes directly to YouTube.
Tony,
FYI, NAPA’s non-detergent oil is now marketed as “lubricating oil” and is no longer labeled as “motor oil.”
This change was noted on a case of oil purchased a month ago which prompted a call to NAPA’s 1-800 number on the back of the bottle. A customer service rep. at Valvoline answered and explained this change was implemented for compliance with the California EPA’s new requirements. The Valvoline rep. assured the oil was the exact same product as before, the SKU item number remains the same, etc.
As for fuel lines, we’ve replaced the fuel lines, front to back, with new, larger 3/8″ diameter lines and new frame fittings made by John Cislak.
A halotron extinguisher is an inexpensive and effective insurance policy, there’s a lengthy thread on this subject posted in this message board which should convince all of the importance of keeping either a halon or halotron extinguisher in your antique cars.
Stu
Hello Chris,
Both GL1 and GL4 are available through NAPA stores, the transmission and O/D have a total of four drain & fill plugs. A “turkey baster” hand oil pump works great.
Steering gear lube, water pump lube and wheel bearing grease are all available through Restoration Supplies in California.
If you’ve not already done so, you will want to consider repacking your wheel bearings.
Several people have commented favorably on this message board regarding Shell Rotella diesel engine oil. Others have noted their use of high zinc ZDDP oil. We use NAPA SAE 30 Non-detergent oil API-SB in our 1601, even though the pan and water jacket have been removed and cleaned now 3 times, our engine with just 35k miles hasn’t been apart, so we don’t want to dislodge any 80 year old gremlins inside it.
Lastly, be sure to take along either a Halon or Halotron fire extinguisher, a small floor jack plus any spare ignition parts you have may come in handy: coil, points, condenser, etc. Good luck on your 200 mile tour.
Stu Blair
Linnea & Ben,
Congratulations and best wishes to you both!
Thank you for sharing your photos with the group.
Peter,
If you’re in the vicinity of Dayton, OH, you may get your part faster than you previously thought possible. Dan Badger is the Packard Museum’s General Manager if you’d like to call & discuss your project.
Separately, does anyone have a complete set of Cad/Cam drawings for a 1933 1247 convertible sedan? I’d like to print one off tomorrow after work!
Posting is from America’s Packard Museum Facebook news feed.
Regards, Stu Blair, Cincinnati, Ohio
Peter,
Have you looked into making these on a 3-D printer, in metal (not plastic)?
Over at MIT near you, there has to be some engineering grad student with access to the university’s 3-D lab who would run off a dozen for you in exchange for a case of beer.
Stu
Bill,
Station Wagons were dinosaur-like conveyances made by such orphaned companies as Oldsmobile, Mercury, Pontiac & Plymouth and with models named Vista Cruiser, Country Squire, Estate Wagon & Sport Suburban. These wagons were equipped with ginormous 455 or 460 cubic inch V-8’s and achieved upwards of 10 MPG going downhill. And unlike their sedan counterparts, station wagons usually had a faux wood applique covering their sheet metal which either peeled-off in the car wash or if it did stick, in northern climates, would actually hold the rusted fenders and doors together when the wagon got to be about 5 years old!
Back then, we lived in Bath Twp., not too far from you.
Stu
When I lived near Hinckley 30 years ago I don’t recall seeing any goths at their annual “Buzzard Day” festival, but back then I probably wouldn’t have recognized a goth even if I’d met one.
However, there were mile-long traffic jams, more station wagons full of kids than you could count and a huge “land office” pancake breakfast minting dollars for the Township volunteer fire department.
And every year on that usually frozen Saturday morning closest to March 15th, the Cleveland Metroparks people would bring a rehabbed turkey vulture named “Zeke” for all the little kids to see, and for the big kids, too!
This Pierce is owned by fellow PAS member Bob Brown of Hinckley, Ohio – near Cleveland.
I’m sure Bob would be happy to answer any questions about the car, his contact info is in the roster.
Here is the link, on 9/1/16 this PA was the first car listed for sale at the top.
A big thank you to Dave & Diana for hosting another great Gathering at Gilmore, now in its 13th year!
Logistically, this is a major accomplishment to direct both cars & people down the same scenic roads and keep everyone very well fed plus entertained for 3 1/2 days! And Dave & Diana achieve this every year with ease.
Those PAS members who have attended the Stevens’ patented Gathering in beautiful Western Michigan know what an enjoyable and memorable event this is.
Clara & Stu Blair
David, you’re welcome.
The old ice box started its journey from Buffalo to Indiana, a hundred some-odd years later it moved to Ohio for 2 months, now a visit to Michigan, next is Hershey, Penna then on to Virginia. It’s certainly well-traveled!
Stu
David / Greg,
The ice box is now loaded in Clara’s car for the trip north to Michigan tomorrow.
It will have quite a few miles logged by the time it arrives in Virginia this October.
Radioactive 836A?
Closer inspection of the eBay listing shows the 836A is located in Almagordo, NM. Perhaps Robert Oppenheimer drove this car to the Trinity Site to push the button….
