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Dave, if you don’t have a place that can make small embroidered labels, let me know, I have a source, just have to dig it up.
Also, if you’re trying to be accurate to size and construction, here’s what’s in my files: “Pierce robe 69 x 51 inches, fake fur on one side, pinkish wool on the other”.
Sourcing the correct looking material will be the fun part. They’d be easy to sew, although there is some detail work, see picture…
All I have is a small picture, I’ll attach and see what it looks like….
Darn, that rod must have been hard to get to! A day to take apart, three years to put back together!
I agree, pricing is crazy, just thought it was an interesting war relic!
I believe this was for sale by Henry Yeska, and I don’t believe it’s been restored, it was a wonderful survivor. I took a lot of pictures to document the interior, which was all original. I believe it also had the neat little front door half moon roll up windows.
I’m sure the owner will chime in, or some will state who (whom?) the owner is at this point.
It’s a great car, wish I’d had the wherewithal to buy it when I saw it!
Here is a link to a website that details how to get a title in Ohio. It seems the State has grouped antique cars and custom built cars together in the requirements for titling, although the license plate for each is different. It appears to be a slightly tedious process, but for an inspector to tell you it must be custom built since he’s never heard of it is silly, you need to ask for another inspector or his supervisor.
http://https://www.dmv.com/oh/ohio/custom-vehicle-registration
A lot of the outside of early aluminum crankcases had aluminum paint “daubed” on them as somewhat of a sealant. I don’t know if this was done on Series 81, I’ve mostly seen it on ought and teens car engines…
The inside should be sealed with Gasoila, a red compound that will seal the porous aluminum and not flake off if metal is relatively clean.
That would make sense, for the square fitting on the plug on a vacuum tank, thanks, hadn’t thought of that….
I will post a video, it will be a little while before I get it…although it sounds like I might need to go up there with the High Sheriff of Hampden County to get it away from Ed!! I wish now the fellow I got it from had taken a video, he ran it briefly on a Model T carb….
Can’t seem to post picture, you can see carb laying in a box in the above picture featuring Ed and the engine!
One more history lesson that I got today, thought I’d pass it along.
The fellow who had this engine, had it running on a Model T carburetor. He said he sent the “original” carb with the engine, but Ed was convinced it was a later Holley carb.
In 1901, the Holley brothers went to Paris, France, and came back with the rights to manufacture and sell Longuemare (a French brand) carbs. They did so, all the while making and trying to market their own “Holley” motorette. Henry Ford came to them at some point, and convinced them to build carbs for him, and thus the brothers gave up the idea of making an automobile and put all their efforts into a carburetor company, and of course, the rest is well known.
Turns out that Don Silbert, who owns a 1903 6 HP Stanhope, verified that this is, indeed, a carb original to this engine. He indicates to me that they are a little more than rare to find.
So now, I’m even happier, if that’s possible! Thanks to Don for the info.
I agree, Peter! I’ve driven our ’31 phaeton in a toad-strangling rain in Texas, and found out that the only difference with/without side curtains, with them installed you only need ONE towel per person to try to stay dry!
“it is theirs in spirit”…what a great way to put it! Thanks for the explanation, Dave……
The AACA has gotten to be a big business, as has the Museum apparently, and I’m convinced that money in those cases has prevailed over hobby “spirit”. One of my best friends is on the board of AACA (club), and he and I have some spirited discussions!
Thanks for nice comments, Richard…yes, it would be a neat display! As you mention, at this point you’re fourth on the list for people who’ve asked about engine, you on, others off, the forum. It’s not for sale, I have a passion for Geo. N. Pierce stuff, and I’ll be hugging this thing for a while!
Somehow I ended up with a pile of T-handle wrenches, all marked Pierce….anyone know what this particular tool was used for?
By the way, Greg, I think your valuations are valid….I think the screwdrivers seem to be the slightly more difficult thing to find….the other interesting thing, I think, I have a very small open end wrench, and a very big open end wrench, in my pile of tools…I’m thinking maybe bicycle on the one and truck on the other….Pierce jacks are fairly common, I do have one very large Pierce jack that had to be a truck accessory, it’s big and heavy…. thanks David C.
Unless I could come up with the other major pieces pretty soon, I think this engine is destined to sit on a display stand during my life time. I can’t imagine there are many Motorette/Stanhope “pieces” out there, but one never knows.
Time is a factor, if I were 20 years younger I’d probably already be bending the frame tubes, but now, time’s not really on my side. I was just looking at my membership renewal, I’ve been in the PAS for 40 years, what a great club (uh, excuse me, Society!) it is!
Greg, thanks, I’ve had the same thought….I think the transmission and rear end are the tough parts, after the engine…if anyone has pieces laying around, let me know!
I have a good friend in Pennsylvania who runs a small restoration shop, specializing in very early cars. He took one look at the engine picture and asked “When are we starting to build the car?””!!!”
Eggs Babbitt guy probably felt pour, so left….he was just scraping by, probably had some bearing on his decision….his leaving might cause some additional friction in the workplace…
Guess I’m gushing, I’ve been working on buying this engine for about a year. In fact, my first contact with owner was in January 2016, he’d bought a collection of marine engines in late 2015 and wasn’t familiar with this “oddball”. Everything just seemed to come together in the last couple of weeks, even though I would have bet odds that I didn’t stand a chance. And, of course, as Ed and I have discussed, it’s best keeping these things tight to the vest until one’s grubby little hands are holding it tight!
I’m just happy another piece of Pierce history is now known to us. Keep looking, one never knows what’s going to show up out there! As Ed knows, I’m working now with an individual who has two pieces of Pierce memorabilia that are exceptionally unusual, hopefully something will come of that also!
I’ve had some serious issues with Egge, though some people seem to think they’re the know all/be all. I’m a believer in Arias, a little pricey but you’re done with it for your lifetime. I have a set of Arias pistons and rings for my 1910 Buick Model 16, they are so pretty I hate to hide them in the engine.
Proper rings can make or break an engine, so to speak and as you know, so go with quality…
