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I wouldn’t try to fix it in place. I would pull the entire box out and put it on the bench. The Ross boxes are very good and almost never have a problem. For it to bind up solid it probably lost some roller bearings. Most of the bearings are special Ross only and are not available. It may be easier and cheaper to find a good replacement box. While simple to work on they can be quite a challenge to adjust correctly. John Cislak had one apart on his bench about two years ago, he would be a good person to ask for help. Good luck, Ed

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Hi Tony, that car is now in the Follis collection in Vista, Ca. I still miss the car after five years, but we can’t keep them all. It is in very good hands. Ed

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Notice in the above photo how the hood line meets the cowl. The hood and fenders just don’t flow with the body like a later series car. My car above was built in October of 1930 (body) it had factory modofied 31 rear fenders, a 32 nose and front fenders, with 33 and 31 hardware both inside and outside. This is the actual car in the 1933 PA catalog.

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Here is the 34 in question. Ed

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I also have information that indicates that they built more than 10 of the club sedan cars. It is possible not all of them went on Pierce Arrow chassis…….. Ed

Enclosed is a phhoto of my 33 the day I brought it home……. I just had to share it with my PA car mentor Bob Sands. The next phot will show the car that started this post, taken in Boston in 1947 if my memory serves me.

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When addressing whether a car has a LeBaron body on it or not, there are several things to consider. Most importantly; in my opinion is where it was made. There are three choices. Bridgeport Ct, Detroit Michigan, or Buffalo New York. I have some factory paperwork on the cars made in Bridgeport and Detroit including some series numbers and dates of manufacture. Over the years I have made a intense study of all the Pierce Arrow cars with LeBaron bodies, and I think I have inspected 80 percent of them in person. One can use body numbers, body tags, cowl tags, construction methods of the wood and body panels as well as upholstery and hardware to come to a correct conclusion of the car being a “full custom”, “semi-custom” or large batch body job. Pierce Arrow owed LeBaron some 140,000 in very past due accounts, thus It is a sure bet that they were not building and shipping more car bodies to the PA factory after mid to late 31. I could go on in detail about them for many pages, but I think most people would not find it too interesting. In my opinion there is NO Pierce Arrow LeBaron body on ANY Pierce Arrow made after mid to late 1931. Just modified left over bodies placed on later chassis. I have information indicating they made no less than 60 of the convertible sedans in a series of three batches of 25, 25, and either 10 or 15. Does anybody have any information that disagrees with this? Ed

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Please post a few photos of your car, we always like to see a “new”” car active the club. Ed”

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I was in John Cislak’s shop last week, he had some NOS bendix drives that were marked PA, I am not sure if they were 1933, or if they were Delco or Owens, he will probably need a few photos of what you have …… give him a call at the shop….. Ed

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I agree with Ernie on this one. Its a left over body from the year before. Ed.

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It’s a well known car restored in the early 70’s. I have never seen the car in person. Many people have commented along the same line as Erine. The car was sold new in Boston and was still on the east coast in the 50’s and there is a photo of it on the Old Motor web site from 1953. It’s an interesting car. I think Bernie has a history of the car from new. Ed

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we use a ford v-8 puller and it works fine….. be careful as the drum can pop off and jump across the shop…… more than you would think…..Ed

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John Cislak has the bearings in stock….. they are not very expensive. Give him a call. Ed

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While I am not a 1929 expert, I think all the eight gaskets from 29 to 38 are the same. Other comments? Ed

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Chris has one of the most correct and detailed cars I have ever seen. It is a great car and he deserved to win…. Ed

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Hi All, the numbrs are corrrect, but NOT ALL 36 OLDS cars used this lens, thus you must use the part number to buy them, they are not easy to find anymore, as the lens guys have a waiting list for them when I checked in with them a few months ago. While not the crazy prices of the other year lenses, they are not “cheap”” by any means. Ed”

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A 37 eight has a cut out regulator, set up for a startix, not an easy item to come with at any price, a correct Owens unit took me 23 years to find. Aftermarket autolite and Delco can be found much easier but not cheap. Rebuild you old on if it is correct. Ed

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Burnt Orange Moon was one of the Dupont colors for 31. The color is brighter than what you would expect. It had more red in it than orange. Ed

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From what I can remember, it’s a late series Seagrave motor extensively modified with a modern Holly carb. I was told it ran great, but it’s a stretch to call it a Pierce Arrow….. it’s more like a resto-rod. It may also have electronic ignition and other mods, but I can’t remember.

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I agree with George. Ed

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If found today it would go to Pebble Beach in the preservation class….. just needed a little “clean up”. Oivind, while I have the Pierce Arrow disease severely, I would have never had the courage to attempt to do your car. It’s not restoration, but resurrection. Ed

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