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This car certainly puts any Packard V12,Cadillac,Peerless or

Locomobile of its time,at a distinct disadvantage.Its a joy that

somebody kept the scrap man away from melting all that aluminum

and dissecting the rest.I’m curious about color choice.Is it authentic?

Did Roscoe(Fatty) have a fettish for eggplants or was it starlets?

Are there any Pierce-Arrows out there that are more valuable than

this car?What a fitting tribute to Hollywood excess,one of the most

controversial and popular stars of the time,and a great customizing

firm,Don Lee.The Silver-Arrow might bring more money now,but the custom

with the largest displacement engine in U.S. motoring history with

Hollywood credentials must rival it in the future.

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If you divide 48 states into the production numbers of Pierce-Arrows

produced after the depression took hold,it would lead you to think that

only big cities like L.A. and S.F. could support a P.A. Dealership.S.F

wasn’t too far away.Pat Craig could fill this gentleman in if anybody

can.

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Ebay item#160928941636 may be what you’re looking for? It says it’s a

reproduction.

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Thanks,Stu and Terry.

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I’ve had a ball reading these thoughtful responses and it makes me

ponder a related question. What are the glassy-eyed,optimists that

collect these artifacts, from a more civil era,worth? Will the cars

please step up to the plate and infect a few more admirers,for the

Society’s sake.

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A fair price depends on whether we can find fuel and an open road

to operate them on.A club of supporting addicts is most welcome,too.

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The babe could be better looking!

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Thanks for the eye candy! Are the brake drums the body color on

the ’35 conv. show car?

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Since 1972,when I relined a clutch with a soft modern material

(it worked great for awhile until it got oiled)instead of leather,I always seek original materials. In the ’80’s,a friend made a popular

switch to kevlar Model T band material.It came apart and jammed his trans-

mission,locking up his rear-end.Does Ft. Wayne have the origional

type woven brake material?

Tony

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Usual practice was to put the auto’s number on major parts(carb

included).They didn’t produce casting part numbers in 1909.Your

serial# looks authentic.The letters E,EE,S,SS appeared after the

the 5 numbers. Or like yours,no letters followed it.20,000 was the

lowest number and 20,099 was the highest in that series.103 built

in total.Does your rear end match the other 24T survivors? Does your

car’s serial number appear on numerous parts? Good Luck!

Tony

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Tried and true:clothes pins and aluminum foil.They’re easy to

remove when you want the car judged.

Tony

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As a member of the Antique Studebaker Club,I noticed Dave Murray’s ad

for water manifolds for 1928-1932 Presidents.John Cislac is offering

Leaf Spring Shackle Pin Set(’29-’32),new valves and valve springs.Dave

also offers the shackle kit(Fafnir)for most ’28-’32 President and

Commander.I’d be surprised if these products didn’t start out life as

Pierce reproductions.

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Air vents in the hood were not offered in 1934.This would lead one

to believe that a significant number of 836A’s were sold in 1935.I’ve

never seen one word in all the books and old ads that I’ve read to

substantiate this.People who I respect have lead me to believe that

836A’s 1080800 and above(or maybe 100 cars before that)were 1935 models.

Where’s the proof in print?

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And then there was a lady that bid around $70K for a restored ’60’s

VW Van at Gooding’s Auction at Pebble Beach about 3 years ago.Goes to

show you can’t fix stupid!

Lately,the Euro has been under much pressure.A friend talked to a

German who had just purchased 32 motorcycles at Bonhams’s Las Vegas

auction.They paid extreme prices.

I’ve been checking out the top bidders on Ebay on quality cars I

desire.Most of them are people who make 80-220 bids a month.These

guys are dealers and they’re not dropping out at wholesale levels.

They are paying more than collectors and “gotta have it” hobbiests

are willing to pay.If it was an American dealer,he would be sure to

go broke unless he already had a buyer for it.

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Thanks,William,for supplying one of the most interesting articles

I’ve read this year.I don’t think the 2 cars parked in front of the

house are Pierces or Packards.

The auction car must have received a facelift to turn it from a $1.5M

unsold car,into a $2M one(with a $200,000 tip to the auction house

on top of that).

Now,if I can just convince the neighbors(and the tax man)that I am a

poor Pierce-Arrow owner,my existence will be a little more

comfortable.Will the value of my Model A priced sedan go up or is that

just a sign of what’s occuring to the value of my dollars(which I’m

also endeavoring to collect).

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Auto Color Library,is an internet based company.They have

paint chips for most early production cars(Pierce included).

They also claim to be able to provide matching modern paint

from the chips.I believe they carry PPG products.858-909 2110

is a number to reach them by.I’d like to hear from those

having experience with this outfit.

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It tears me up to consider Jerry’s fire loss.Is this the first Pierce

to be lost to alcohol in gasoline? I would like to make my Pierce sedans

safe from tank related failures.What do I look for? Do I have to remove

the tank? I didn’t see anything related to gas tank renewal in the parts

section.

I was on a car tour(60 pre-16 autos)when a T roadster’s gas tank caught

on fire at the lunch stop.Flames were soaring through the top.Eighty-

year-olds were moving like teen-agers and the fire was put out with

conventional extinguishers.

I plan to talk to my fire chief about halon and see what he knows about

the obtainable halon knock-offs.I will also be carrying 2 extinguishers

when practical.

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Proper trailers are just part of the battle.While checking out the

Tahoe version of Hot August Nites,I visited the Mac’s Tie Down booth.

The owner showed me why the tie downs that I have taken for granted

as safe,are accidents waiting to happen.Most trailer manufacturers

equip new trailers with D-rings that take care of their bottom line.

Then we go out and buy any old straps.

Mac’s over engineer’s their D-rings and tie-downs and will give you

personal attention.Our fine,heavy weight cars deserve to remain secured

to the trailer in case of an accident.Mac’s Tie Downs will design a

system and provide U.S. made components to get you there safely.

Tony Costa

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Studebaker used ball bearing shackles on their senior cars for

several years in the early ’30’s.

I’m in charge of three cars with ball bearing shackles that haven’t

received a lick of lubricant in 80 years.They work just fine.I don’t

know how long the engineers were expected to build a car to last,but

I’ll have to applaud their results.

I do admit that my hackles are up over the shackles not having a

reasonable lubricating solution.

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I believe the car is the Peerless a friend had up in his restoration

shop in Murphys,Cal.It was a closed car and it was very well restored.

The hood handle placed high on the hood,was used only by Peerless in

1913-1914.

I always look forward to The Arrow,of which this issue was one of the

best(loved the color).

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